If they skipped procedural steps that would mean the certification was invalid.
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It's something to do with perfecting the certification
I'm not entirely sure what the differences between that and basic procedure is unfortunately.
So I think the wide scale fraud thing is true and the dems have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
That puts us currently on an 8 on a ten point escalation scale, CNN is already starting to panic and is calling any attempt to arrest people for said fraud facism.
That puts us currently on an 8 on a ten point escalation scale, CNN is already starting to panic and is calling any attempt to arrest people for said fraud facism.
Bigking321
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If they only issued 1.3 million mail in but counted 2 million doesn't that settle it right there?
700,000 fraudulent ballots even with 100% participation right?
700,000 fraudulent ballots even with 100% participation right?
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
They'll find out one day if they persist in this silliness. And black shirts will not be as reasonable as Trump.
Archmagnus
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Uh, shut up with your facts you racist fascist nazi?
I only caught a snippet, but it seems to involve mail in ballots specifically.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
So, hundreds of thousands of Mail ballot votes for Biden while Trump only gets a few thousand.... anyone with a brain should see that there is something fishy going on .
Archmagnus
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(!) This claim about election fraud is disputed
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
This PA hearing has got me pumped today.
"Perfecting" the certification is simply a legal/ceremonial procedural term that amounts to, "Official steps that are taken to finalize the certification." It doesn't mean they acted improperly or skipped these steps that should have been done before; these are the equivalent of post-processing. They're parts of the official process that occur after the certification per se.
All the court is doing here is a standard procedural step in court cases; ordering that further action be held so that the court's decision is not rendered moot before the court can make it.
The problem is that because the privacy of elections has always been held to be a core value in democracy, anonymization of ballots is a step that always has to be performed during the process, and always has to be performed before the ballot is counted. It's impossible to build a system that both keeps votes private and allows for re-verification of voter identity after the vote has been cast and counted, because such re-verification could only be done by connecting ballots back to the voters who cast them.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Pa state legislature seem to be on board with the Trump team so far.
And that value of the secret ballot is behind the times, because mail-in voting and electronic voting necessitate being able to verify that a single individual is linked to a specific ballot/vote, to ensure there has been no voter/electoral fraud.
Our Republic, our democracy, and our electoral system need to adapt to the issues modern tech brings to the field of voting, and we are seeing how easy it is to defraud the electoral system when those adaptions have not taken place, or are not widespread in all areas.
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This is not the PA state legislature; this is the Majority Policy Committee. Without opposing witnesses or argument, one can allege anything they want.
We will see what arguments are actually raised in court where they can be countered by opposition. These allegations have not been raised there, which unfortunately renders their effectiveness much reduced.
Edit: I will say that Ellis arguing that the PA legislature can ignore laws itself passed was a lowlight in Trump's legal team's performance. There are better legal arguments they could be making, but they are not.
We will see what arguments are actually raised in court where they can be countered by opposition. These allegations have not been raised there, which unfortunately renders their effectiveness much reduced.
Edit: I will say that Ellis arguing that the PA legislature can ignore laws itself passed was a lowlight in Trump's legal team's performance. There are better legal arguments they could be making, but they are not.
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The Australian ballot was adopted for a reason and is guaranteed at both the federal and state level. If you want to lobby to change it, you can, but do not expect a great deal of support from most.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
The hearing just ended, it went great in my opinion.
Doug Mastriano is a fucking beast btw.
Doug Mastriano is a fucking beast btw.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Here's the full phone call from Trump at the hearing.