Why Men and Women Should Stop Hooking Up.

Zachowon said:
You work form home right? If you do that explains a lot as in families that work two jobs (Both parents) Generally have less kids as it lowers stress of having more things to worry about. One needs to take into account that not every woman wants to be a home body. Some like to actually get out there and do things, they like to be treated as more then just a loving wife at home, but as a best friend to hunt or game with etc. Large families are counter towards that in western culture where women and men are seen as equal.

Perhaps wanting women to not be homebodies is the end of western civilization, perhaps it isnt.
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Yes, I am a stay at home mom, a housewife as they say.

Yes, parents who both work are likely to have fewer children, which is why it's a problem. Western Civilization isn't replacing itself, which hand to hand with massive immigration will indeed be the end of Western Civilization. Can Western Civilization's decline be halted without more women returning to the home and having more babies? Maybe so, but so far it doesn't look like it's likely. A stay at home mom not only can more easily have more children, but can home school the children to prevent them from being indoctrinated by public schools and to have a good influence on their upbringing.

Not every woman wants to be a "home body" but maybe more would if that option were encouraged rather than discouraged. Maybe if we collectively understood the benefits that staying home provides to not only the family but to civilization itself, maybe more women would choose that rather than getting on the career hamster wheel. Also, being a stay at home mom doesn't force you to stay in the home all the time, you can still go out and do fun things.

What does being a house wife have to do with hunting or gaming together as a couple? I'm a house wife and my husband and I share most of the same hobbies and engage in them together frequently. The only thing that prevents us from doing the same hobbies together at the same time is how busy kids keep us. We still get our D&D nights, but they are a bit harder to arrange with young children.

Are men and women equal? Is anybody equal? I don't think so. Men and women are both important. Mothers and fathers are both important. They are important in different ways, not equal ways. I would argue that my job (that of having babies, taking care of and raising them, teaching the kids) is more important for society than my husband's career aside from the fact that his job makes mine possible.

Right now, women having careers, not having children, embracing feminism, allowing their kids to be indoctrinated by the state and media - these things are destroying Western Civilization. Changing the current trend will be hard for many people, but if Western Civilization is in peril, it makes sense that saving it might take a bit of work or sacrifice.
 
Zachowon said:
I am advocating to push for dual parent households. Be them 2 men, 2 women, or 1 male 1 female couples. They will ALWAYS be better then single parent. That is what I am advocating for.
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By forcing it via policies. Women have no issue with child support system. They have no issue with single parent households and the government and men paying for it.

You are basically trying to take an option away from women. I just want you to realize this which goes against the whole equality spiel you mentioned above.

Hell, a woman said that paternity tests take away options from women for being able to have the kid with the man they want but still have hubby pay for it, it takes away a womans power to thumb and laugh at male control.

This is the fabled "equality". Its all bullshit.
 
Seriously, a lot of the options that women have now need to be taken away, because far too many women exploit and abuse the privileges given to us by society and the government - to the detriment of everybody. I think that we would see a higher percentage of women making wiser relationship decisions when it is they, rather than their exes or society as a whole, who must suffer the consequences of women's bad decisions.
 
My position is arguably more equal then anything feminism advocates for. Artificial wombs and companion bots for all. Feminism opposes the bots for men at the very least and the wombs if ever bothered to be used will likely in their opinion should be for women only and not men.

Women want to remain single forever? Go ahead. Artificial wombs takes care of said woman not having children then lets try by policies to take away options from women while also saying that we are equal. lol
 
The problem with artificial wombs is that the government would eventually, maybe immediately, just seize control over them and all children would be born without parents, wards of the state to be raised by parent androids and indoctrinated in what ever the rulers of the state desire. Parenthood is the last line of defense against tyranny, which is why so many authoritarian states have wanted take control over it.
 
ShieldWife said:
Yes, I am a stay at home mom, a housewife as they say.

Yes, parents who both work are likely to have fewer children, which is why it's a problem. Western Civilization isn't replacing itself, which hand to hand with massive immigration will indeed be the end of Western Civilization. Can Western Civilization's decline be halted without more women returning to the home and having more babies? Maybe so, but so far it doesn't look like it's likely. A stay at home mom not only can more easily have more children, but can home school the children to prevent them from being indoctrinated by public schools and to have a good influence on their upbringing.

Not every woman wants to be a "home body" but maybe more would if that option were encouraged rather than discouraged. Maybe if we collectively understood the benefits that staying home provides to not only the family but to civilization itself, maybe more women would choose that rather than getting on the career hamster wheel. Also, being a stay at home mom doesn't force you to stay in the home all the time, you can still go out and do fun things.

What does being a house wife have to do with hunting or gaming together as a couple? I'm a house wife and my husband and I share most of the same hobbies and engage in them together frequently. The only thing that prevents us from doing the same hobbies together at the same time is how busy kids keep us. We still get our D&D nights, but they are a bit harder to arrange with young children.

Are men and women equal? Is anybody equal? I don't think so. Men and women are both important. Mothers and fathers are both important. They are important in different ways, not equal ways. I would argue that my job (that of having babies, taking care of and raising them, teaching the kids) is more important for society than my husband's career aside from the fact that his job makes mine possible.

Right now, women having careers, not having children, embracing feminism, allowing their kids to be indoctrinated by the state and media - these things are destroying Western Civilization. Changing the current trend will be hard for many people, but if Western Civilization is in peril, it makes sense that saving it might take a bit of work or sacrifice.
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I disagree. I think that forcing or well, teaching women to be homebodies is going against the way things work in general. It is not something new to have women do more then be homebodies. Plenty of cultures had women do more then be the home body who just gives children. PLenty had them also working the farms, helping their husbands with their job as well as taking care of the children. This is where you can make this into small business and family owned. Use it to teach and grow your family in ways, so everyone works, and you can still have a large family. Look at the Irish, Italians, etc of New york in the earlier years of the twentieth century.
Give incentive to have more then just "Survival of western culture!" Because in the end history repeats itself and all things will come crashing down.
Saying "Being homebodies and teaching homeschool is what everyone should be doing." Makes it worse off. Showing incentive for families to work together, grow together. THat is often how it works.
I should also point out having both parents walk. often allows for more money to be made and makes life easier. As someone who grew up in GA knowing people with a large amount of kids. they were often on the poorer end of things and barley made do. Unless both parents were working.

Fun fact: most military families both parents have jobs, either both dual military or single military. Because it one keeps the other busy, and it also allows for more money to allow for easier care of the home.
LifeisTiresome said:
By forcing it via policies. Women have no issue with child support system. They have no issue with single parent households and the government and men paying for it.

You are basically trying to take an option away from women. I just want you to realize this which goes against the whole equality spiel you mentioned above.

Hell, a woman said that paternity tests take away options from women for being able to have the kid with the man they want but still have hubby pay for it, it takes away a womans power to thumb and laugh at male control.

This is the fabled "equality". Its all bullshit.
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TO be equal both be treated the same. It does not go against my equality speil. Both parties need to be equally involved. I do not support men fucking and leaving a woman with a child, nor do I support women getting a child and forcing the man to pay for it. I support dual family households.
 
Zachowon said:
TO be equal both be treated the same. It does not go against my equality speil. Both parties need to be equally involved. I do not support men fucking and leaving a woman with a child, nor do I support women getting a child and forcing the man to pay for it. I support dual family households.
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Which again requires government interference and policies.

You are taking away women's option. Women should be free to do what they want, no? Then why do you oppose them doing everything I just mentioned. After all, society advocates that it doesn't matter. Very convenient btw for women. Its almost as if equality is a load of crap.

Thats what I'm saying.
 
Zachowon said:
I disagree. I think that forcing or well, teaching women to be homebodies is going against the way things work in general. It is not something new to have women do more then be homebodies. Plenty of cultures had women do more then be the home body who just gives children. PLenty had them also working the farms, helping their husbands with their job as well as taking care of the children. This is where you can make this into small business and family owned. Use it to teach and grow your family in ways, so everyone works, and you can still have a large family. Look at the Irish, Italians, etc of New york in the earlier years of the twentieth century.
Give incentive to have more then just "Survival of western culture!" Because in the end history repeats itself and all things will come crashing down.
Saying "Being homebodies and teaching homeschool is what everyone should be doing." Makes it worse off. Showing incentive for families to work together, grow together. THat is often how it works.
I should also point out having both parents walk. often allows for more money to be made and makes life easier. As someone who grew up in GA knowing people with a large amount of kids. they were often on the poorer end of things and barley made do. Unless both parents were working.

Fun fact: most military families both parents have jobs, either both dual military or single military. Because it one keeps the other busy, and it also allows for more money to allow for easier care of the home.
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I don't want to force anybody to do anything. Encourage - yes. Stop encouraging other, often dysfunctional, lifestyles - also yes. I want to encourage more women to be stay at home mothers because I think that this lifestyle is ultimately better for them, their families, and their civilization than pursuing a career. It's going against the way things work? What does that mean? I think that the way things work now in first world countries - most women working, feminism dominating male and female relationships, rampant promiscuity, sky high divorce rates, increasing leftism, masculine women, feminine men, dying sense of community, unchecked hostile immigration... these are things that we should be going against.

How do stay at home mothers and home schooling make things worse? Families very rarely work together. For the most part, women have their job, men have theirs, children are put into their respective classrooms. They only get together after that stuff is done. I'm not adverse to a family business, but that isn't the typical situation.

Mothers of the past did indeed work on farms, also with their husbands and kids. Many of the duties of the farm mother would involve taking care of her children or teaching them how to do things on the farm, though traditionally men did it too. They were all together as a family and that is a system I would be happy with, but with the decline of agriculture and the rise of industry, not every family can work the farm together which is why the more discrete division of labor between the sexes became more necessary so that mothers can continue to have children and create a home for them while fathers work to make that home and family possible.

It is true that a family with a stay at home mother will have less money than one where both parents work. Then again, it's likely not twice as much money because working parents often need to pay for child care, women usually make less money than men, and when both parents work on a societal level then the extra workers pushes down wages for working men. In Western nations, we have enough money. We do, even poor people here do quite well by world standards, and I would contend that beyond a certain point more money doesn't make you that much happier, but having a healthy relationship, close family, and functional civilization does and is worth the money lost.
 
ShieldWife said:
The problem with artificial wombs is that the government would eventually, maybe immediately, just seize control over them and all children would be born without parents, wards of the state to be raised by parent androids and indoctrinated in what ever the rulers of the state desire. Parenthood is the last line of defense against tyranny, which is why so many authoritarian states have wanted take control over it.
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Sure. I don't disagree with this. Just pointing out a possible solution that could work without going the position of taking women's rights away. Of course, the problem would be the government. There is also the family issue but the family is crumbling anyway.
 
Culsu said:
This isn't about mere fun, it's about fulfilling emotional needs in a relationship. A healthy sex life reduces stress and increases the emotional bonding between the partners. An unfulfilled sex life in a relationship is a breeding ground for resentment.
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How many sexually partners until you "know" you're with the right one? How much trial and error?
 
LifeisTiresome said:
Which again requires government interference and policies.

You are taking away women's option. Women should be free to do what they want, no? Then why do you oppose them doing everything I just mentioned. After all, society advocates that it doesn't matter. Very convenient btw for women. Its almost as if equality is a load of crap.

Thats what I'm saying.
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Equality is actually pretty simple. Ready? I am a man, Shield wife is a woman. I can do anything except give birth that she can do. And vice versa. That is how equality works.

The equality being forced down our throats is not equality.
ShieldWife said:
I don't want to force anybody to do anything. Encourage - yes. Stop encouraging other, often dysfunctional, lifestyles - also yes. I want to encourage more women to be stay at home mothers because I think that this lifestyle is ultimately better for them, their families, and their civilization than pursuing a career. It's going against the way things work? What does that mean? I think that the way things work now in first world countries - most women working, feminism dominating male and female relationships, rampant promiscuity, sky high divorce rates, increasing leftism, masculine women, feminine men, dying sense of community, unchecked hostile immigration... these are things that we should be going against.

How do stay at home mothers and home schooling make things worse? Families very rarely work together. For the most part, women have their job, men have theirs, children are put into their respective classrooms. They only get together after that stuff is done. I'm not adverse to a family business, but that isn't the typical situation.

Mothers of the past did indeed work on farms, also with their husbands and kids. Many of the duties of the farm mother would involve taking care of her children or teaching them how to do things on the farm, though traditionally men did it too. They were all together as a family and that is a system I would be happy with, but with the decline of agriculture and the rise of industry, not every family can work the farm together which is why the more discrete division of labor between the sexes became more necessary so that mothers can continue to have children and create a home for them while fathers work to make that home and family possible.

It is true that a family with a stay at home mother will have less money than one where both parents work. Then again, it's likely not twice as much money because working parents often need to pay for child care, women usually make less money than men, and when both parents work on a societal level then the extra workers pushes down wages for working men. In Western nations, we have enough money. We do, even poor people here do quite well by world standards, and I would contend that beyond a certain point more money doesn't make you that much happier, but having a healthy relationship, close family, and functional civilization does and is worth the money lost.
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Divorce rates have gone down as have marriages. The issue with that kind of lifestyle is it is ultimately outdated in principle and ideals and will never outlast the changing of society. If you look at times form messopotamia all the way till now you can see how roles switch and turn and so on so forth over the ages. Nothing stays a certain way, and trying to push things that way will never work.

The last couple paragraphs tie into each other. I lived in an area where it was not that expensive to live yet I know people that had 4 and some that had 5 kids, different types as well. It depends on where one grows up and lives. I lived in an area that either lived in a higher en dbut are still conservative or a lower end that is rural and were basically red necks. Everyone had parents that worked, both of them, even the ones I know that were homeschooled.

The point being, women working does not stop them from being able to have a large and conservative family. Nor for them to be homeschooled. I do not encourage it as I have seen no benefit from keeping people secluded in small groups, and super restricted. When kids in these environments grow up they often turn into the kind we always make fun of ad talk about. Do you know why? A single person they end up falling for or something manages to convince them you have made them to secluded, they rebel and do what you do not.

The people I went to high school with are going to instil the same values they were taught onto thier kids if it makes thier life better and because they were not secluded and sheltered as children.
 
ShieldWife said:
I don't want to force anybody to do anything. Encourage - yes. Stop encouraging other, often dysfunctional, lifestyles - also yes. I want to encourage more women to be stay at home mothers because I think that this lifestyle is ultimately better for them, their families, and their civilization than pursuing a career. It's going against the way things work? What does that mean? I think that the way things work now in first world countries - most women working, feminism dominating male and female relationships, rampant promiscuity, sky high divorce rates, increasing leftism, masculine women, feminine men, dying sense of community, unchecked hostile immigration... these are things that we should be going against.

How do stay at home mothers and home schooling make things worse? Families very rarely work together. For the most part, women have their job, men have theirs, children are put into their respective classrooms. They only get together after that stuff is done. I'm not adverse to a family business, but that isn't the typical situation.

Mothers of the past did indeed work on farms, also with their husbands and kids. Many of the duties of the farm mother would involve taking care of her children or teaching them how to do things on the farm, though traditionally men did it too. They were all together as a family and that is a system I would be happy with, but with the decline of agriculture and the rise of industry, not every family can work the farm together which is why the more discrete division of labor between the sexes became more necessary so that mothers can continue to have children and create a home for them while fathers work to make that home and family possible.

It is true that a family with a stay at home mother will have less money than one where both parents work. Then again, it's likely not twice as much money because working parents often need to pay for child care, women usually make less money than men, and when both parents work on a societal level then the extra workers pushes down wages for working men. In Western nations, we have enough money. We do, even poor people here do quite well by world standards, and I would contend that beyond a certain point more money doesn't make you that much happier, but having a healthy relationship, close family, and functional civilization does and is worth the money lost.
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I'm planning on transitioning to part time job/working from home/small business(buy and sell) when me and my husband will have our kids. I want to be a hands on mother to our kids. Especially during their formative years and schooling phase.

We don't see home schooling as an option because me and my husband were not home schooled but we turned out fine. We want our kids to experience school setting. We are planning on sending them to private Catholic school.
 
Culsu said:
This isn't about mere fun, it's about fulfilling emotional needs in a relationship. A healthy sex life reduces stress and increases the emotional bonding between the partners. An unfulfilled sex life in a relationship is a breeding ground for resentment.
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Sometimes you have to live with things that cause stress. Having your arm torn off causes stress and makes life difficult too.


Culsu said:
Yeah. And in that case I don't need a relationship or marriage with the other person. Then it's just a mixed-sex shared apartment arrangement.
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Imagine thinking that marriage is worthless if you're not getting the sex you want. You know your spouse could be rendered incapable of sex physically, yes? Well, I suppose it'd be time to kick that apartment contractee to the curb then.
 
The most sobering reddit story I read is becoming a parent at 17. Just imagine you're at a party and a girl takes you to a back room to fool around and she lays face down on a pile of cushions before pulling her skirt up and hooking her underpants to one side and said fuck me. This destroyed his education, job prospects and caused issues in his immediate family while getting to explain to his kid how he met his mother.
 
Random Username said:
The most sobering reddit story I read is becoming a parent at 17. Just imagine you're at a party and a girl takes you to a back room to fool around and she lays face down on a pile of cushions before pulling her skirt up and hooking her underpants to one side and said fuck me. This destroyed his education, job prospects and caused issues in his immediate family while getting to explain to his kid how he met his mother.
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The way you describe it makes it sound like porn.
 
Fleiur said:
www.webmd.com

Frequently Asked Questions About Sexual Health

WebMD answers common questions about circumcision, male menopause, birth control, and more.
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Given that waiting for sex until marriage, people should practice chastity until then. With greater satisfaction with sex and the relationship itself, this means that there are less divorces. I don't think that it is any accident that divorces increased along with premarital sex.
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I disagree with the premise that abstinence until marriage produces greater satisfaction with sex, considering that it generally means that the only people having sex are fumbling around with *no experience*.

Edit: Also, the study cited is pretty much just a poll, and I'd argue that a subject as inherently subjective as *quality of sex* is never going to be accurately measured by a poll.
 
ShadowArxxy said:
I disagree with the premise that abstinence until marriage produces greater satisfaction with sex, considering that it generally means that the only people having sex are fumbling around with *no experience*.
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Why would that mean people were less satisfied? Being good at sex isn't a zero sum game, you can learn what works by doing it with one person, you don't have to fuck someone with the collective passed down fuck skills of the ages to get good at it. It's a dick, not the highlander.
 
Shipmaster Sane said:
Why would that mean people were less satisfied? Being good at sex isn't a zero sum game, you can learn what works by doing it with one person, you don't have to fuck someone with the collective passed down fuck skills of the ages to get good at it. It's a dick, not the highlander.
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That is not at all what I stated. . .
 
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