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Given that waiting for sex until marriage, people should practice chastity until then. With greater satisfaction with sex and the relationship itself, this means that there are less divorces. I don't think that it is any accident that divorces increased along with premarital sex.

Has sexual liberation truly made relationships happier?
 
Fleiur said:
I don't think that it is any accident that divorces increased along with premarital sex.
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Sexual revolution boomed back in the 1960s. Meanwhile US divorce rate was steadily falling since 1980s - for the last 40 years. Come next decade, the divorce rate will return to the early 50s level.

I don't know about "happier", but we have Tinder and lowest divorce rate in the last fifty years. Sexual liberation doesn't seem to have done much to marriage stability one way or another.
 
Firebat said:
Sexual revolution boomed back in the 1960s. Meanwhile US divorce rate was steadily falling since 1980s - for the last 40 years. Come next decade, the divorce rate will return to the early 50s level.

I don't know about "happier", but we have Tinder and lowest divorce rate in the last fifty years. Sexual liberation doesn't seem to have done much to marriage stability one way or another.
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I have heard people say that its cause fewer people are bothering to marry.
 
Part of the problem is birth control, women don’t suffer the consequences for their behavior. The pill is a clear case of technology being not morally neutral.
 
Firebat said:
Sexual revolution boomed back in the 1960s. Meanwhile US divorce rate was steadily falling since 1980s - for the last 40 years. Come next decade, the divorce rate will return to the early 50s level.

I don't know about "happier", but we have Tinder and lowest divorce rate in the last fifty years. Sexual liberation doesn't seem to have done much to marriage stability one way or another.
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Regardless, there are fewer children and problems with infidelity.
 
Firebat said:
Sexual revolution boomed back in the 1960s. Meanwhile US divorce rate was steadily falling since 1980s - for the last 40 years. Come next decade, the divorce rate will return to the early 50s level.

I don't know about "happier", but we have Tinder and lowest divorce rate in the last fifty years. Sexual liberation doesn't seem to have done much to marriage stability one way or another.
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We also have the lowest Marriage rates since we started recording these things. Men are not getting married and given how Divorce laws and family courts are stacked against them, I don't blame em one bit.
 
Fleiur said:
Regardless, there are fewer children and problems with infidelity.
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Low birth rates aren't necessarily the outcome of the problem as the two aren't exactly always connected, and even then, it wouldn't be the cause so much as a byproduct of that if proven beyond doubt.

Like Spartan says, I and most other males don't fear marriage because we are adulterers in waiting, but because divorce is just too easy these days and marriage isn't seen as a serious commitment by woman or men for that matter anymore.

I could build seven fortunes, then get married...And yet, a year or so later a divorce could be filled against me for any number of reasons, and I would suffer losing a majority of that hard work, all because someone didn't see marriage as a commitment between two individual's to work through together, so much as a state made contract easily exited when it benefited them or they grew board of their partner.

And it's not just Men that suffer this, some men treat women in just as abhorrent fashion for just as bad reason's it's just that the system is less likely to gift rewards to them over female divorcees.
 
Fallout-Man101 said:
Low birth rates aren't necessarily the outcome of the problem as the two aren't exactly always connected, and even then, it wouldn't be the cause so much as a byproduct of that if proven beyond doubt.

Like Spartan says, I and most other males don't fear marriage because we are adulterers in waiting, but because divorce is just too easy these days and marriage isn't seen as a serious commitment by woman or men for that matter anymore.

I could build seven fortunes, then get married...And yet, a year or so later a divorce could be filled against me for any number of reasons, and I would suffer losing a majority of that hard work, all because someone didn't see marriage as a commitment between two individual's to work through together, so much as a state made contract easily exited when it benefited them or they grew board of their partner.

And it's not just Men that suffer this, some men treat women in just as abhorrent fashion for just as bad reason's it's just that the system is less likely to gift rewards to them over female divorcees.
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I know the reality. I'm just saying that we need to go back to respecting marriage so that doesn't happen so often and blatantly. One way to do that is reserving sex for marriage.

One thing I don't understand is why you'd marry someone who's be willing to divorce you at a drop of a hat.
 
Fleiur said:
One thing I don't understand is why you'd marry someone who's be willing to divorce you at a drop of a hat.
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If you can find me a detection device that's proven to tell the difference between someone of commitment and someone that isn't, I will gladly pay a few grand for it. The fact is nobody advertises themselves as a person who lacks commitment or is wiling to divorce you in a year if things don't go their way..
 
I think it doesin't help that sociecty right now isn't made for homemaking. I'm not even talking nuclear family I mean like literal home making. The dollar has less than half the buying power it did 30-40 years ago. and it takes a full time income to buy what a part time used to. Look how much the cost of land and housing has gone up. Who's got time for courting when your spending 8-10 hours workiing a day and another 10 sleeping just to make ends meet and to te gall of progressives, government intervention has made this problem WORSE not better.
 
Fallout-Man101 said:
If you can find me a detection device that's proven to tell the difference between someone of commitment and someone that isn't, I will gladly pay a few grand for it. The fact is nobody advertises themselves as a person who lacks commitment or is wiling to divorce you in a year if things don't go their way..
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Like I said, one way to do that is reserving sex for marriage. Because it just goes to show that you waited for the right person because you have options but still made the harder choice to save yourself for marriage.

That's why there is this thing called communication/talking things out, which is vital in a relationship. And in turn, that's why you marry someone who shares the same values as you and values commitment.

Marriage is hard. Men and women are different. That's why when you're married you learn to be interdependent with each other while valuing your vows and commitment with each other.
 
Hastur of Carcosa said:
I think it doesin't help that sociecty right now isn't made for homemaking. I'm not even talking nuclear family I mean like literal home making. The dollar has less than half the buying power it did 30-40 years ago. and it takes a full time income to buy what a part time used to. Look how much the cost of land and housing has gone up. Who's got time for courting when your spending 8-10 hours workiing a day and another 10 sleeping just to make ends meet and to te gall of progressives, government intervention has made this problem WORSE not better.
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That is why you need the father and mother in a family to work things out as a family.

Financial problems are always looming in the corner, but that is why the two of you work things out for your family. In addition to sacrificing and budgeting, there are always in-laws. Moving out at 18 was an abberration. Living with family into your 20s and multigenerational households seems to be more realistic. That's the way it is with Hispanics and Asians.
 
Fleiur said:
That's why there is this thing called communication/talking things out, which is vital in a relationship. And in turn, that's why you marry someone who shares the same values as you and values commitment.
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I was with someone who 'supposedly' valued my commitment's who I felt I knew, but didn't. People aren't so simple to dissect it isn't often until long after marriage that one determines their spouses true nature, hence why divorce is allowed in the first place. (Not applauding divorce in this statement merely saying there are some cases were a divorce is needed.)
Fleiur said:
Marriage is hard. Men and women are different. That's why when you're married you learn to be interdependent with each other while valuing your vows and commitment with each other.
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I know, my point isn't that 'hook ups' are good, my point was you were wrong in blaming the decline in birth rates on them as well as rising divorce rate, while ignoring underlining issues such as government streamlining easy divorces and lawsuit's leading to genuine lack of understanding on the part of young couples on the commitment they are making in being wed which in turns leads to them not taking the commitment as seriously.
 
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Fallout-Man101 said:
I was with someone who 'supposedly' valued my commitment's who I felt I knew, but didn't. People aren't so simple to dissect it isn't often until long after marriage that one determines their spouses true nature, hence why divorce is allowed in the first place. (Not applauding divorce in this statement merely saying there are some cases were a divorce is needed.)


I know, my point isn't that 'hook ups' are good, my point was you were wrong in blaming the decline in birth rates on them as well as rising divorce rate, while ignoring underlining issues such as government streamlining easy divorces and lawsuit's leading to genuine lack of understanding on the part of young couples on the commitment they are making in being wed which in turns leads to them not taking the commitment as seriously.
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Every relationship reaches a point where one or both consider giving up. It boils down to how the couple sees marriage, their values and commitment.

I will grant you that easy divorce contributes, but wouldn't you say that the worship of sex and free love leads to infidelity or the view that marriage is not life-long?
 
Firebat said:
Sexual revolution boomed back in the 1960s. Meanwhile US divorce rate was steadily falling since 1980s - for the last 40 years. Come next decade, the divorce rate will return to the early 50s level.

I don't know about "happier", but we have Tinder and lowest divorce rate in the last fifty years. Sexual liberation doesn't seem to have done much to marriage stability one way or another.
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Hows the marriage rate?
 
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