What screams "the author didn't think of the implications"?

Shipmaster Sane said:

What do you mean specifically?

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I believe said poster means that reliable contraception changed the world and sexual mores so ASOIAF should also have such changes.

LifeisTiresome said:

Isn't DnD basically adventurers going around doing jobs for money that end up with them even saving the world or town or village?
At least thats how I have seen some games played.

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In DnD you generally play as some kind of Mercenary who gets stronger the more battles they win. Where that leads is entirely up to the writing of the campaign, the direction of the DM, and the choices of the players.

JKR having a legal punishment of your soul being eaten by a dementor if you escape from Azkaban. That makes the Ministry of Magic sound literally worse than Nazi Germany.

Von_Lohengram said:

Moon Tea existed for The Seven knows how long and is appearently both easy to make and has no issues with side effects or the like, yet sexual mores are still like Medieval Europe.

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Isn't that just pennyroyal?

LifeisTiresome said:

I believe said poster means that reliable contraception changed the world and sexual mores so ASOIAF should also have such changes.

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Aldarion said:

Isn't that just pennyroyal?

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It's been a while since I read the books, but the gist is this:
It's a herbal tea, that as long as a woman drinks it withing 24 hours of intercourse she wont get pregnant. It's never mentioned to have any negative side effects.
Also Theon's sister in a viewpoint chapter of hers "mentions" so to speak how after her first time, she did NOT buy it from a Measter or even an Herbalist. She instead asked an herbalist for how to make it herself. In other words it's impossible to control it's spread, since apparently anyone can learn to make it in an hour or so and the ingredients are easy to find.

Is it even necessary to mention setting-breaking weapons here? The most recent major examples that I know of come from the Star Wars sequels.

-- A method to instantly destroy a vastly more powerful enemy ship now exists. This gets retconned to being "one in a million", but then in a later shot... we see it happening again. So while perhaps unlikely to succeed, it's not that unlikely. meaning that droid-piloted ships can now forever be used to kamikaze-swarm enemy capital vessels in a hyperspace ramming spree. One is eventually bound to hit, and small suicide ships are relatively cheap. Space warfare will never be the same.

-- Not that it matters, because the technology needed to instantly destroy any planet is now compact enough to be slapped onto a regular capital ship. Given what we see in the films, it is highly unlikely that every single baddie is dead, nor that the arms manufacturers (exclicitly depicted as completely amoral) will hesitate to sell the tech to the highest bidder in the conflict's aftermath. Proliferation can't realistically be prevented. Thus, there is now an arms race underway, and soon everybody is going to have planet-destroying weapons. In a setting where omnicidal evil space wizards exist (and always seem to rise up again), that's a recipe for an extinction war.

Von_Lohengram said:

It's been a while since I read the books, but the gist is this:
It's a herbal tea, that as long as a woman drinks it withing 24 hours of intercourse she wont get pregnant. It's never mentioned to have any negative side effects.
Also Theon's sister in a viewpoint chapter of hers "mentions" so to speak how after her first time, she did NOT buy it from a Measter or even an Herbalist. She instead asked an herbalist for how to make it herself. In other words it's impossible to control it's spread, since apparently anyone can learn to make it in an hour or so and the ingredients are easy to find.

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Where did it say the ingredients are easy to find? Or inexpensive if they're easily located? Theres also, yknow, disease.

Aldarion said:

Isn't that just pennyroyal?

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Moon Tea seems more effective and clean, at least from what I recall. Too much of it can basically destroy a woman’s uterus(as happened to Lysa). Personally it makes sense to me that Moon Tea is something only nobles have fairly easy access too(with peasants having far less effective abortifacients) and the Faith sanctions them.

A married noble woman in westeros is duty bound to bear her husband children. If she is using Moon Tea it’s either due to proscribed Maester’s orders-perhaps because her health is in serious risk, or because she has committed adultery. So I could see it being regulated that way. Apparently Cersei had Jaimie find a woman to “cleanse” her of Robert’s baby. The queen of Westeros, apparently needed a proxy to find a woman to use an abortifacient.

So I suspect Moon Tea is probably regulated heavily by Maesters and even noble women do not have easy access to it. So much as asking for it admits either adultery or fornication. (I suppose certain liberal minded lords might let discreetly allow their wanton daughters the potion when needed, but that would be the exception that confirms the rule).

Speaking of ASOIAF and other Low/Dark Fantasies

One thing I think they underestimate is the sheer level of damage of all the sacks they have occur

Like seriously, pretty much every single town, city and village gets its citizens raped, tortured, robbed, crippled and murdered

I’m surprised there are enough to make new settlements that are relatively healthy or fully limbed and sane

Hell, I’m amazed that the average “soldier” isn’t a sadistic cannibal who eats his wife, children and neighbors when he gets home before going off to do banditry because he got the taste for war

In an unusual subversion for a Japanese DnD-inspired fantasy, the Konosuba setting actually does take into account the implications a lot of the time (more so in the light novel than the anime):

Quests for picking herbs or other easily-gathered ingredients or items are almost impossible to find, due to the all the newbie adventurers having done them to the point where the ingredients/items simply aren't readily available anymore;

Adventurers needing to be a certain level to be allowed to go into the deep forests, since the monsters in there are far more dangerous than ones on the plains due to the latter being effectively and constantly culled by the adventurers doing quests close to cities or traveling between them;

Adventurers prefering to take "easy" quests that don't require lots of traveling, resulting in monsters in general being rare around cities and adventurers frequently hanging around a single city as their home base... where many of them invariably end up causing trouble due to boredom whenever there's a shortage of quests and the local Adventurers Guild taking it upon themselves, along with the local authorities, to "create" quests or events to keep them occupied and out of trouble;

A group of succubi turning sex dreams into a business, taking payment in the form of a tiny amount of life force (barely enough to make the client feel a little tired the next day) and money, the latter in order to pay for the house they use and partially to fund the day-time café they also run;

Said succubi inadvertently causing females in the city to wonder why the men aren't pursuing them for relationships as much as they used to and triggering the local authorities to launch an investigation... humorously ending in nothing after the prosecutor in charge finds out she can have all her Boys Love fantasies realized in the dreams offered by the succubi dream service, prompting her to declare the investigation found nothing;

A noble family getting their hands on a random monster-summoning item and using it to summon random monsters, selling the valuable ones to collectors and underground arena runners while releasing the not-so-valuable-but-still-dangerous ones into the wild, causing a massive increase in the local number of monsters... until they are found out and brought to justice;

The erection of a spirit-banishing magic circle in a local graveyard prompting the ghosts to start infesting surrounding inhabited buildings and causing way more problems than they did in the graveyard;

Rich nobles and royalty paying good money to have rare and powerful monsters slain and their parts brought in as ingredients that the nobles then eat themselves to get XP and raise their levels without putting themselves in danger;

A local magic shop failing due to only offering a combination of cheap-but-defective and useful-but-overly-expensive goods, adventurers rejecting the former and mostly unable to pay for the latter;

Repeated use of massively-powerful spells actually causing changes to the local landscape (and law enforcement practices);

Basic magic spells for summoning water, earth, etc being used by farmers for mundane purposes such as filling fields with mineral-rich earth and fresh, clean water;

The main character, Kazuma, being constantly disappointed with having all his isekai expectations subverted by the fantasy world actually taking implications into account and people having adapted accordingly.

...And those are just off the top of my head. If I took the time to re-read I'd probably find dozens more. Despite being a comedic and over-the-top setting, Konosuba actually gets a lot of things right that many more serious or down-to-Earth fantasy settings don't (lookin' at you, ASoIaF).

JasonSanjo said:

In an unusual subversion for a Japanese DnD-inspired fantasy, the Konosuba setting actually does take into account the implications a lot of the time (more so in the light novel than the anime):

Quests for picking herbs or other easily-gathered ingredients or items are almost impossible to find, due to the all the newbie adventurers having done them to the point where the ingredients/items simply aren't readily available anymore;

Adventurers needing to be a certain level to be allowed to go into the deep forests, since the monsters in there are far more dangerous than ones on the plains due to the latter being effectively and constantly culled by the adventurers doing quests close to cities or traveling between them;

Adventurers prefering to take "easy" quests that don't require lots of traveling, resulting in monsters in general being rare around cities and adventurers frequently hanging around a single city as their home base... where many of them invariably end up causing trouble due to boredom whenever there's a shortage of quests and the local Adventurers Guild taking it upon themselves, along with the local authorities, to "create" quests or events to keep them occupied and out of trouble;

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If everyone was “competent” the world would have stopped being “fun” long ago

Also, I doubt everyone would like constantly min/maxing and grinding for stuff

Say, ever read Kengan Asura/Omega

The semi-MC introduced in the latter, Narushima Koga has the problem that simply put, in an underground fighting ring wherein the most dangerous are around fighting.

A newbie who hasn’t exactly been in the same sorts of life and death situations, albeit Koga was a delinquent and didn’t flinch when guys tried robbing him

Even being kinda talented and VERY hard working will mean you’ll possibly still be at the bottom

Dude gets almost wrecked by a guy who was at the very bottom to get to said bottom and he later had extreme trouble against a bunch of mooks who were from an organization of superhuman martial artists engaging in organized crime of some sort


This dude had 2 losses, 1 win(against a guy already near retirement and a losing streak)and Koga even after months of training with professionals and bulking up STILL had a hard time

CarlManvers2019 said:

Say, ever read Kengan Asura/Omega

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I haven't, but it sounds interesting. I might have to give it a look. Thanks for the tip!

JasonSanjo said:

I haven't, but it sounds interesting. I might have to give it a look. Thanks for the tip!

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Not the usual sort of Shounen formula, so I can understand why it’s niche

Especially since it’s a long tournament arc and there’s a bit of a joke you’ll forget who the MC is because there’s so much focus on fights for well developed side characters

Also, in universe, the Kengan Association is just ONE amongst many highly illegal underground fighting associations. They exist even in places like China apparently.

As a side effect, it and its current contender have an international membership of fighters

CarlManvers2019 said:

If everyone was “competent” the world would have stopped being “fun” long ago

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Only if your setting is retarded. Thats the difference between say, DnD, where your average first level adventuring party is a group of four career soldiers who operate like a swat team, and Anime, where your average first level adventurer is a child the village doesn't want to feed anymore.

NiER Automata

Specifically the whole reveal that 9S has been killed repeatedly

That would require a LOT of people’s memories being erased regarding him and it doesn’t seem like the Operators know

Or anyone else for that matter that the “new guy” has been reintroduced multiple times already

And it’s weird how the YoRHa aren’t in the thousands given it’s canon that they can more or less consider death to be cheap and all that’s being sent up is their data and odds are their blackboxes are many

Shipmaster Sane said:

Only if your setting is retarded. Thats the difference between say, DnD, where your average first level adventuring party is a group of four career soldiers who operate like a swat team, and Anime, where your average first level adventurer is a child the village doesn't want to feed anymore.

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Would a legit level one all commoner party do any worse than a level one anime party? Because it sounds like they have the edge here....

Wait would an actual level 20 commoner break those settings? Because I'd love if it they could.

Monster Hunter International
Still only at V3 admittedly and admittedly in-universe this was sorta done by an asshole member of MHI in secret

And MCB and other monster hunters are likely to come execute you

But you’d think that the whole Cobra Effect would long been in play given that they pay so much cash for a single monster

Let them go and “multiply” and “level up” until you can kill em for more tax money based rewards

Hlaalu Agent said:

Would a legit level one all commoner party do any worse than a level one anime party? Because it sounds like they have the edge here....

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Leaving aside certain quirks of game mechanics (Like A cat being able to reliably kill a man), Imagine four strongly built farmers with Spears, Crossbows or slings, and maces (Common weapons, every peasant is proficient with one weapon). Remember also that people in DnD are supposedly tall, well fed, and strong compared to RL medieval european people (I believe one book mentions in flavor text that the average man is 5'10, which would be tall for *today*), and that virtually everyone in Anime is based on Japanese heights, i.e. manlets.

CarlManvers2019 said:

Speaking of ASOIAF and other Low/Dark Fantasies

One thing I think they underestimate is the sheer level of damage of all the sacks they have occur

Like seriously, pretty much every single town, city and village gets its citizens raped, tortured, robbed, crippled and murdered

I’m surprised there are enough to make new settlements that are relatively healthy or fully limbed and sane

Hell, I’m amazed that the average “soldier” isn’t a sadistic cannibal who eats his wife, children and neighbors when he gets home before going off to do banditry because he got the taste for war

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A lot of the time, cities in the older ages got sacked after they got conquered. How bad the sack was depends of course.

Nothing you mention is unusual and has happened in our world and yet the world kept spinning.

Hell, there is talk of how the Russians when invading Germany during WW2 mass raped and tortured people. Japan had situations where they got women to be in brothels to take on the US soldiers occupying Japan so that the soldiers would not bother the rest of the population.

Shipmaster Sane said:

In DnD you generally play as some kind of Mercenary who gets stronger the more battles they win. Where that leads is entirely up to the writing of the campaign, the direction of the DM, and the choices of the players.

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That pretty much sounds like just like standard generic medieval fantasy anime. The adventurers are mercenaries but not in companies, either just individuals or small groups who get stronger as they level up. The Adventurers guild exists for people to apply for mercenaries to do stuff they want.