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Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

lloyd007

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Yeah the VP still committed treason there should Nate wish to push the issue, especially when he concealed his actions from the President.
Nate was incapacitated and from the looks of it hadn't given specific orders to commit to a certain plan / forbidden Operation Pied Piper, so the VP was well within his rights to implement it even if he knew it wasn't Nate's first choice since for all he knew, Nate could've been permanently incapacitated from the blue flu since he's no spring chicken at this point.
 

Navarro

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Nate was incapacitated and from the looks of it hadn't given specific orders to commit to a certain plan / forbidden Operation Pied Piper, so the VP was well within his rights to implement it even if he knew it wasn't Nate's first choice since for all he knew, Nate could've been permanently incapacitated from the blue flu since he's no spring chicken at this point.

Not to mention that there are legitimate military reasons for such actions, and the expenditure of political capital would be too high to justify it.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
The NCR has that from Vault City, but it's not a case of something so simple as an injection - they grow a new limb or other in a vat using the patient's own stem cells (which can take from a week to several months), then surgically attach/introduce it.

Does the Enclace have that, but way less expensive and common a medical procedure if they can't just reattach limbs preserved in ice?
 

Crow gotta eat

That peckish, patriotic, Protestant passerine.
Welp someone’s going to be publicly court martialed.
Honestly, most of the warcrimes related to things like gas attacks probably do not exist anymore, as I doubt any nation is willing to give a crap about them unless they all experience enough horrible death inflicted with them during a war and afterwards all agree to never use them again (also probably because they are not strategically useful and therefor the horrible death it causes is mostly more trouble than what it is worth where propganda/internal-stability/global-goodwill/morality is concerned).

Matter of fact, most agreements Pre-War are probably considered null and void for the most part unless both countries decide to acknowledge them, since mostly everyone attacked each other in a big wars over increasingly scarce resources and then launched nukes at each other, which then resulted in either nations claiming they are the have the same legitimate governments from before or are successor governments/countries who never signed any such agreements in the first place.

So warcrimes are mostly now what both sides agree are actions generally "too evil" (or at least one of them does) and promise consequences to those who do such actions, whether the consequences be retaliatory killings or trials and punishments after the war.
 
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TyrantTriumphant

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Why hasn't the NCR moved into cybernetics themselves? I know they already have some knowledge of it considering that the Followers clinic in New Vegas offered cybernetic implants. With the tech they have from Big MT it should be doable for the NCR to make cybernetic replacements.

Perhaps the NCR and Enclave are just diverging technologically as well as culturally. It is possible that the cultural differences are the reason for the technological differences.
 

Kioras

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Well Gas was added to being a war crime mostly since it was pretty crap as an effective weapon. The chemical weapons we currently have are great for scaring civilian populations but not too effective on a modern battlefield against peer foes.

If it is effective here it would just be another weapon as long as it does not stick around too long after it has been delivered.

After all incinidary weapons are still used or wee still used for quite a while and they are arguably worse.

The Gas used here is likely more effective then what we had to work with against peer nations.
 

Navarro

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I take it General Friedman hasn't gone through any Enclave towns yet. He hasn't grasped that the Enclave has reformed like the rest of the NCR's front line commanders have.

Friedman has been stuck besieging St. Louis for a month.

Prisoners are Post-Apocalypse Nazis or all indoctrinated

So obviously they’re all lying or speaking propaganda and may need to be executed soon or do a repeat of what they did to the original Enclave, them and their descendents all in prison forever

I think they reenstated that law to arrest all the Enclave given there wasn’t much worth from those who were imprisoned

There's a reason Leo gave that EO.

Well Gas was added to being a war crime mostly since it was pretty crap as an effective weapon. The chemical weapons we currently have are great for scaring civilian populations but not too effective on a modern battlefield against peer foes.

If it is effective here it would just be another weapon as long as it does not stick around too long after it has been delivered.


So warcrimes are mostly now what both sides agree does to now are generally "too evil" (or at least one of them does) and promise consequences to those who do such actions, whether the consequences be retaliatory killings or trials and punishments after the war.

From the US PoV, gas isn't illegal, but it's something you don't typically use against civilised enemies.

Thought they'd be some talk about the new cyber-chameleon-firebreathing Deathclaw variant, but alas ...
 
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Ihopethisworks

God Bless the Enclave
Friedman has been stuck besieging St. Louis for a month.



There's a reason Leo gave that EE.






From the US PoV, gas isn't illegal, but it's something you don't typically use against civilised enemies.

Thought they'd be some talk about the new cyber-chameleon-firebreathing Deathclaw variant, but alas ...
How far away are Enclave reinforcements?
 

ForeverShogo

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I guess something like the United Nations could be attempted again . . . Preferably without something like the Security Council and its veto powers.

Or at least if you're going to have something like that, don't have ideological enemies share seats on such a council and make it goddamn impossible for the UN to do anything other than become a joke.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
It was fatally flawed from the beginning because it put Communist totalitarian regimes on the same standing-point as civilised nations, and failed to prevent WW3.

Had the Enclave and its Allied States have kept the same sort of Socialist-Infiltration-Influenced thinking from centuries back....I'd think the UN would have more of a chance at returning...and accidentally worsening the situation through sheer delaying of any actual confrontation
 

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