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[FriedCFour]

That smacks of "I'm making up your shit for you". Simply put, the only Avatar and heroes your people have is the one for Vaad, you don't get to say "Oh yeah, they TOTALLY have their own avatar and heroes for Intei who defines it for them". Simply put, that's stepping on everyone else's toes.

They just worship them in an unorthodox way. If they start making blood sacrifices to Artis to make gold rain from the sky that doesn't mean he suddenly gets my avatar and my heroes, or forces me to rain gold. Artis also wouldn't really care or be so much of a prick as to step in, he lets mortals do what they want. All it is is interesting flavoring in having a weird backwards Pantheon rather than just one single patron. Vaads Squidbillies just have a lie where Vaad is the top god and their own versions of us.

 

[S'task]

What does that have to do with what I said?

I was expanding on it, saying that if people are going to do that, they should tell the folks so they know how they react.

So then there's some weird fellows who say you're worshipping their god wrong when you've got your entire society's system of beliefs that dates back centuries. That's not going to be convincing.

That... doesn't make sense?

It's not like the nationless gods are necessarily NEW, they've been around and had their avatars and heroes, which means they could have (and would have) been seeking to ensure their proper respect within those countries and people for as long as they've been around (and some of those gods DO predate those societies). As such, you'd expect that those Avatars would have been integrated into the society's belief system going back centuries as well as proper messengers of that god. Unless the Patron Avatar has been active the entire time trying to prevent / denounce such messengers, but then that gets into a pretty thorny diefic political area. If Avatar X is actively preventing Avatar Y from engaging with followers of God Y... that's not exactly something that's going to bypass God Y's attention...

 

[FriedCFour]

I was expanding on it, saying that if people are going to do that, they should tell the folks so they know how they react.


That... doesn't make sense?

It's not like the nationless gods are necessarily NEW, they've been around and had their avatars and heroes, which means they could have (and would have) been seeking to ensure their proper respect within those countries and people for as long as they've been around (and some of those gods DO predate those societies). As such, you'd expect that those Avatars would have been integrated into the society's belief system going back centuries as well as proper messengers of that god. Unless the Patron Avatar has been active the entire time trying to prevent / denounce such messengers, but then that gets into a pretty thorny diefic political area. If Avatar X is actively preventing Avatar Y from engaging with followers of God Y... that's not exactly something that's going to bypass God Y's attention...

If you truly care about interfering and messing with Vaads cult then thats a character motivation and on you. Artis is hands off and War doesn't care if they worship him exactly right as long as blood flows.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

I was expanding on it, saying that if people are going to do that, they should tell the folks so they know how they react.


That... doesn't make sense?

It's not like the nationless gods are necessarily NEW, they've been around and had their avatars and heroes, which means they could have (and would have) been seeking to ensure their proper respect within those countries and people for as long as they've been around (and some of those gods DO predate those societies). As such, you'd expect that those Avatars would have been integrated into the society's belief system going back centuries as well as proper messengers of that god. Unless the Patron Avatar has been active the entire time trying to prevent / denounce such messengers, but then that gets into a pretty thorny diefic political area. If Avatar X is actively preventing Avatar Y from engaging with followers of God Y... that's not exactly something that's going to bypass God Y's attention...

Of Course the Avatar and forces of Vaad have been active the entire time? What else would they be doing?

Feel free to try to stop Annvn, the nobles, and the church of Vaad from lying to the people who view their word as beyond questioning, then. Feel free to propose historical encounters with Vaad's Avatar or heroes where your Avatar or heroes tried to interfere, and mine tried to violently expel them.


This society was built by people who are xenophobic and hostile isolationists, they never "Integrated" foreign avatars into their church structure, which was handed down directly by people and creatures they believe to be Vaad's emissaries. If you go back far enough, Vaad was literally physically present in their culture, and during that age would have permitted little interference by a foreign avatar personally. So if you want to talk about "things being integrated from the beginning" their history begins with a giant insane octopus that generally wouldn't have allowed someone else's avatar within a hundred miles of his territory, being their absolute and unquestioned god, and their belief system comes down from his worship.

 

[Draco]

I was expanding on it, saying that if people are going to do that, they should tell the folks so they know how they react.


That... doesn't make sense?

It's not like the nationless gods are necessarily NEW, they've been around and had their avatars and heroes, which means they could have (and would have) been seeking to ensure their proper respect within those countries and people for as long as they've been around (and some of those gods DO predate those societies). As such, you'd expect that those Avatars would have been integrated into the society's belief system going back centuries as well as proper messengers of that god. Unless the Patron Avatar has been active the entire time trying to prevent / denounce such messengers, but then that gets into a pretty thorny diefic political area. If Avatar X is actively preventing Avatar Y from engaging with followers of God Y... that's not exactly something that's going to bypass God Y's attention...

Well as you said, Intei is a second generation/middle aged deity, meaning he came after the many primordial gods that we've established. The societies of Perzawlkhan, Vaad, Shahrivar, etc would have had established beliefs and practices long before he came around, and when he did they would likely react to that in different ways and form different beliefs around him. How they'd then react to followers of Intei trying to tell them what to believe is up to the players of the other societies.

If you want Intei not to favor people who don't worship him precisely to the letter of his prescribed faith, that's up to you, but if you have his followers proselytizing like Jehovah's witnesses all over the world don't expect everyone to welcome them with open arms.

I can tell you right now Perzawlkhan doesn't really care who does or doesn't worship her. If you worship her above all others, cool, you get to come to her domain when you die. If you worship someone else higher or don't worship her at all, then whatever other god will claim you and it's not her problem. The specifics beyond that mean little.

 

[Leepysheepy]

Aside: while people can decide to ban his cult from their nations (and if you do do that, please inform me so proper consequences can be arranged)

Kobolds disdain idolatry, their views on other gods vary between the tribes all the way from "Other gods exist but can't be trusted" to "Other gods are just magical beings claiming to be gods" to "some other gods literally don't exist" in extreme cases (I know everyone is going to be a bit offput by this one, but as I said it's a rare occurance that primarily happens with tribes who don't ever encounter a specific idea. For example, those who live in the middle of a desert very well may not believe Earon exists, as they don't believe the ocean exists. Koy does little to disuade such assertions). Some tribes are on better terms with different gods, but none really go all the way to worship, largely because the same sixth sense that lets kobolds identify those of the blood of Koy also lets them sense heretics among their own. The best relationships with other gods are among the followers of the Dancer's nomadic peoples, who are somewhat comparable in attitude to semidomestic cats following humans, and generally regard the Dancer as not befitting of worship but more trustworthy than any other gods.

 

[Grav]

Kobolds disdain idolatry, their views on other gods vary between the tribes all the way from "Other gods exist but can't be trusted" to "Other gods are just magical beings claiming to be gods" to "some other gods literally don't exist" in extreme cases (I know everyone is going to be a bit offput by this one, but as I said it's a rare occurance that primarily happens with tribes who don't ever encounter a specific idea. For example, those who live in the middle of a desert very well may not believe Earon exists, as they don't believe the ocean exists. Koy does little to disuade such assertions). Some tribes are on better terms with different gods, but none really go all the way to worship, largely because the same sixth sense that lets kobolds identify those of the blood of Koy also lets them sense heretics among their own. The best relationships with other gods are among the followers of the Dancer's nomadic peoples, who are somewhat comparable in attitude to semidomestic cats following humans, and generally regard the Dancer as not befitting of worship but more trustworthy than any other gods.

Does Lravitus exist if he is worshipped as a god of rot? Rot exists right?

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Does Lravitus exist if he is worshipped as a god of rot? Rot exists right?

Grug not believe in mushroom!
-kobolds, probably

 

[S'task]

Well as you said, Intei is a second generation/middle aged deity, meaning he came after the many primordial gods that we've established.

Actually, I said he appeared around the same time as the middle aged deities, not that he's a formal member of that group. But yes, he came in after the primordial gods of this world, so overall that's a fair point. But what's a god of shadows without some secrets as to their origin.

Grug not believe in mushroom!
-kobolds, probably

Quite possibly true for the desert dwelling ones. Meanwhile jungle dwelling kobolds eat ALL THE SHROOMS! And use some very special ones for religious rituals to see all the things!

 

[Leepysheepy]

Does Lravitus exist if he is worshipped as a god of rot? Rot exists right?

They wouldn't worship him, most kobolds would either believe him to be a god they don't worship or just a very large mushroom claiming to be a god.

 

[Grav]

They wouldn't worship him, most kobolds would either believe him to be a god they don't worship or just a very large mushroom claiming to be a god.

Huh.

 

[S'task]

Updated Intei's sheet with a new hero designed with permission from, and assistance by, @GravitysMomentum.

 

[FriedCFour]

Updated Intei's sheet with a new hero designed with permission from, and assistance by, @GravitysMomentum.

Did you find the explanations of Vaad to make sense?

 

[S'task]

Did you find the explanations of Vaad to make sense?

I think it is sufficient to work for now.

 

[Have You Seen My Son]

I will note one minor detail *snerk* that may have escaped people...

The Shadowed Dancer didn't come into existence until after the accords which the rest of the gods are bound by... and nobody ever bothered to ask if they agreed to them.

Take of that as you will...

*dances away with a laugh and a smile*

Well, this jsut became a lot easier. XD

*grabs shotgun*

Not part of the pact, gonna get sacked. That's just how Mafia the gods work!

 

[Grav]

Myconids are now Mushfolk.

Also are we going with one god war or do we have multiple in the history?

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Myconids are now Mushfolk.

Also are we going with one god war or do we have multiple in the history?

I was under the impression there were multuple, god-sponsored Wars of genocide were mentioned in the OP, and I believe the "Wars" were mentioned plural.

 

[FriedCFour]

I was under the impression there were multuple, god-sponsored Wars of genocide were mentioned in the OP, and I believe the "Wars" were mentioned plural.

The way I see it as like the one hundred years war which was a series of wars in quick succession. @almostinsane what did you envision?

 

[almostinsane]

The way I see it as like the one hundred years war which was a series of wars in quick succession. @almostinsane what did you envision?

I would concur. It depends on your point of view. You could call it one way or many wars in quick succession. I was inspired more from the Sengoku Jidai truthfully: a lot of small conflicts stemming from one or two larger conflicts and a lack of central authority.

Only, this time, the factions were shocked into peace and any central government is like the UN with certain God's more equal than others and loopholes existing to be used.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Evening. Working my sheet, and that gives me an idea for how to work on from there. @FriedCFour Want to do some crossover heroes once I get my act together? And I am thinking one of my cities would be named after your god, @almostinsane one would be named after yours as well if you are fine, and of course the cult city of the national god.