China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

Husky_Khan

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I heard students get together for parties now that school's closed thus rendering the point of isolation to stop possible spread mute.

Yeah the parks seemed somewhat populated with kids. And the stores are still fairly full of course with kids as well. :rolleyes:
 
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gral

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Some Brazilian news: First fatality was registered today, a 63-year old man, in São Paulo City. Cases are around 300(291 according to official Health Ministry data; if you go by the various State Health Secretaries' data, number of cases is somewhat above 300)

In Rio de Janeiro, since this Monday schools are out, inter-city bus traffic was halted and a lot of companies are telling people to do home office; of course, that hasn't happened to me(the wonders of working in a government-owned company - they keep postponing a final decision). I've been told to prepare for working at home, but I'm wondering if it isn't better to keep going to work: I don't need to take public transportation(and traffic is delightfully light now, so it's definitely worth it going by car), and the workplace will be quite empty(it already was today), so risk of contamination is reduced. Of course, if they go for full shutdown, I'll have to stay at home.

I also thought this semi-quarantine of sorts(in Rio and some other States: São Paulo State intended to close down schools next week only but today they reversed this decision and schools will be closed from tomorrow on) was too early, although I've heard low availability of hospital beds was the reason they decided to do it now; makes some sense if true.
 

Floridaman

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All those crying Tyranny have never seen true Tyranny. Most if not all of the Military posters on this Board have. I doubt Ben has.
I would rather a populace tha cries foul at any increase of government authority than one that just accepts an ever more intrusive government, one provides liberty, albeit an inefficient one, the other inevitably leads to tyranny.
 

Arch Dornan

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Remember this time in history. Things are going to change like never before.
Old world order and status quo is fracturing before our very eyes.
Certainly. Against a phenomenon you can't arrest, shoot, threaten or shame? You're SOL.
 

Sailor.X

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I would rather a populace tha cries foul at any increase of government authority than one that just accepts an ever more intrusive government, one provides liberty, albeit an inefficient one, the other inevitably leads to tyranny.
The Patriotic right has many good qualities. But they also have one major flaw. They tend to be too damn paranoid. Not everything is a Government grab of your rights. Sometimes you have no good options and you have to do a thing to stop an even more bad thing. Just google all the actions that were taken stateside during World War II.
 

Tzeentchean Perspective

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Reminder that progressive fantasies are demolished by the reality of where infections have taken root.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The Patriotic right has many good qualities. But they also have one major flaw. They tend to be too damn paranoid. Not everything is a Government grab of your rights. Sometimes you have no good options and you have to do a thing to stop an even more bad thing. Just google all the actions that were taken stateside during World War II.
I wonder sometimes about the internment of Japanese Americans despite how a pearl harbour pilot received help from one of them in Niihau even if it failed.

Reminder that progressive fantasies are demolished by the reality of where infections have taken root.
The price of fondling a metaphorical monkey's paw.
 

TriforcedLink

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So recently have me and my coworkers have been given a two-week 'vacation' that'll end on April 7th... supposedly. I mean I've had fantasies of vacations coming early, but I'd rather it not come about because of an epidemic. lol

Hopefully, things will calm down, but I'll just wait and see.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
So recently have me and my coworkers have been given a two-week 'vacation' that'll end on April 7th... supposedly. I mean I've had fantasies of vacations coming early, but I'd rather it not come about because of an epidemic. lol

Hopefully, things will calm down, but I'll just wait and see.
You best use it to stock up and wait it out.
 

Husky_Khan

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Read this article on Reuters, mostly about China tentatively trying to move back to normalcy in the wake of the Coronavirus' peak but something stood out to me in the article specifically.


Reuters said:
The epidemic, which has infected more than 800,000 in China and killed over 3,200, had kept hundreds of millions stuck at home since late January. Retail sales for the world’s second-largest economy shrank by a fifth in the first two months of 2020 from a year earlier.

Considering the official numbers of confirmed cases in China was a smidgen over 80,000... that either means it's a typo which is entirely possible though the article is five hours old or that there's some massive underreporting on infected (likely because many of the symptoms are mild or indistinguishable from the Cold/Flu and the lack of comprehensive testing in general). I'm still leaning towards typo though... because it's either missing a zero... or undercounting something by a factor of ten. I'm hoping it's the latter of course since a fraction of a percent overall mortality rate is far more preferable then a low single digit percentage ten times larger.
 

Terthna

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Read this article on Reuters, mostly about China tentatively trying to move back to normalcy in the wake of the Coronavirus' peak but something stood out to me in the article specifically.




Considering the official numbers of confirmed cases in China was a smidgen over 80,000... that either means it's a typo which is entirely possible though the article is five hours old or that there's some massive underreporting on infected (likely because many of the symptoms are mild or indistinguishable from the Cold/Flu and the lack of comprehensive testing in general). I'm still leaning towards typo though... because it's either missing a zero... or undercounting something by a factor of ten. I'm hoping it's the latter of course since a fraction of a percent overall mortality rate is far more preferable then a low single digit percentage ten times larger.
I give it a month at most before we begin hearing about the virus spreading rapidly throughout China again. In fact, I seriously doubt that they've actually managed to curtail it, as they've claimed; the CCP is just desperate to get the house of cards that is the Chinese economy going again, to postpone the country falling apart for a little while longer.
 

Culsu

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Honestly, given how case numbers exploded in Italy over a short period of time while the authorities are reacting I find it highly dubious that China, even given its draconian measures, could have kept its numbers that low when the outbreak was centered on metropolitan areas that, even if we just count the first few large cities, have probably as many inhabitants as the whole of Italy combined. Those numbers have to be off by a significant margin. By now Italy is closing in on China's death toll, and even adjusting for different social norms etc. I find it highly dubious that Italy's population and health care system do fare that much worse than the Chinese. Granted, it could be - but it seems unlikely to me.
 

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