China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Bear Ribs]

Ok do so then.

Nice goalpost move. What was I replying to?

That is an A Priori fallacy. Most people with these spectrometers do not have the time or resources to test this while also doing their other jobs.

Unsurprising, but we're discussing how you have no idea how the process works and were making up how long it takes and the resources required, we've already established I don't own that specific device.

Ok, then that explains how Germans overthrew Hitler and stopped the Holocaust... Oh wait...

Well at least the Russians realized the extent of Stalin's, oh wait.


Yes it can and does occur. It takes special people to stand up to the machine and a certain critical mass to gather before the spell can be broken. And the State captured by Totalitarians can wield tremendous state power to cow people and gaslight them. We have ample historical precedence for this.

Because as we know, overthrowing Hitler or stopping Stalin would merely have required any pharmacist, research lab, forensics specialist, or even some well-equipped hobbyist to plug a machine into the wall and run it for under a minute... The point being, the amount of effort required to blow the whistle on a PZP vaccine switch is also trivial and you're ridiculously conflating the level of danger between "Murdered by KGB Secret Police" and "Twitter Fact Checker 'Debunked' Your Findings."

 

[Scottty]

The point being, the amount of effort required to blow the whistle on a PZP vaccine switch is also trivial and you're ridiculously conflating the level of danger between "Murdered by KGB Secret Police" and "Twitter Fact Checker 'Debunked' Your Findings."

There's a sliding scale between those two things. Just saying...

 

[Rocinante]

I've been saying it since day one. That's not what masks are for, and it isn't effective.

Yes, a lot of us have been saying this since day one.

Even Fauci was saying this.

The hospital system I work for, which has required them since the mandates started, in the beginning said they aren't effective, and not to waste them.

The masks are a pacifier/safety blanket. People want to feel like they're doing something. That's all it is.

 

[Chiron]

Nice goalpost move. What was I replying to?

The goal post is yours. You said it was easy to do and required nothing special. So run the experiment. We will all await your results unless you are bullshitting us.

Because as we know, overthrowing Hitler or stopping Stalin would merely have required any pharmacist, research lab, forensics specialist, or even some well-equipped hobbyist to plug a machine into the wall and run it for under a minute... The point being, the amount of effort required to blow the whistle on a PZP vaccine switch is also trivial and you're ridiculously conflating the level of danger between "Murdered by KGB Secret Police" and "Twitter Fact Checker 'Debunked' Your Findings."

Twitter routinely erases factual information and bans scientists who question the narrative and few are those who can stand up. Companies are firing people for questioning the vaccine mandates. Canada, Australia, New Zeeland, and Great Britain are revoking the licenses from Doctors who actually practice medicine and give HCQ or IVM.

We have seen TV personalities routinely gaslight people and lie for the State to uphold the narrative and outright refuse to cover stories that contradict the narrative.

So my point stands. If the test is as simple as you say, and you got someone willing to run it, and it turns out its true its a PZP switch, the only place that will let it be published freely is GAB, other places will either bury it, or ignore it, or gaslight it as not true.

 

[Chiron]

Yes, a lot of us have been saying this since day one.

Even Fauci was saying this.

The hospital system I work for, which has required them since the mandates started, in the beginning said they aren't effective, and not to waste them.

The masks are a pacifier/safety blanket. People want to feel like they're doing something. That's all it is.

I never wore a mask to protect against COVID, I wore it to stop secondary infections and to reduce viral loads when I had to enter high viral load areas for extended periods and took it off when in well ventilated areas such as outdoors. And if I had to go to a clinic or hospital, I wore a properly fitted N95 and other PPE because it was a hot zone.

This was never explained by Health Authorities due to their malicious incompetence and led to misuse of masks which were also worn incorrectly and increased secondary infections

It is practically impossible these days to have any sort of adult conversation with most people.

 

[Rocinante]

I never wore a mask to protect against COVID, I wore it to stop secondary infections and to reduce viral loads when I had to enter high viral load areas for extended periods and took it off when in well ventilated areas such as outdoors. And if I had to go to a clinic or hospital, I wore a properly fitted N95 and other PPE because it was a hot zone.

This was never explained by Health Authorities due to their malicious incompetence and led to misuse of masks which were also worn incorrectly and increased secondary infections

It is practically impossible these days to have any sort of adult conversation with most people.

yeah I got downvoted on a local subreddit for telling someone on a post asking where high mask grocery stores are, that if they really want protection, they should get fitted for N95.

They were immunocompromised and just wanted to be safe. So I just told them the safest option.
Downvoted.

 

[Bear Ribs]

The goal post is yours. You said it was easy to do and required nothing special. So run the experiment. We will all await your results unless you are bullshitting us.

Oh really? Let's see the actual discussion, shall we?

Most people with these spectrometers do not have the time or resources to test this while also doing their other jobs.

So you argued that people with the spectrometer don't have the time or resources, and you did so after I revealed that I myself did not have the right type for this test. Either put up or shut up, buy me a Raman Spectrometer and I'll get the proper training and do the test for you. Otherwise, I do believe that, yes, you're the bullshitter here with your moving goalposts between people who own a Raman Spectrometer and myself.

Twitter routinely erases factual information and bans scientists who question the narrative and few are those who can stand up. Companies are firing people for questioning the vaccine mandates. Canada, Australia, New Zeeland, and Great Britain are revoking the licenses from Doctors who actually practice medicine and give HCQ or IVM.

We have seen TV personalities routinely gaslight people and lie for the State to uphold the narrative and outright refuse to cover stories that contradict the narrative.

So my point stands. If the test is as simple as you say, and you got someone willing to run it, and it turns out its true its a PZP switch, the only place that will let it be published freely is GAB, other places will either bury it, or ignore it, or gaslight it as not true.

More goalpost moves. Unless you're trying to imply that every single person with a spectrometer is also by some coincidence not able to post to GAB? No. If the censorship by Twitter was as all-powerful as you claim, and the deep state so capable of massive coverups we never would be able to have this conversation in the first place as we'd all be censored from doing it.

 

[Zachowon]

Steven Crowder called it from the beginning as well

 

[Sobek]

 

[Rocinante]

ID to vote: racist

ID to purchase food: totally fine

 

[Zachowon]

ID to vote: racist

ID to purchase food: totally fine

And what's funny is this is more racist then voter because blacks have had majority of not getting vaxed

 

[Cherico]

ID to vote: racist

ID to purchase food: totally fine

this is why I think that the supreme court will in time obliterate the anti ID to vote argument is because they can point to all of this.

This will backfire on the democrats and they will deserve it.

 

[prinCZess]

"Papiere, bitte."

More seriously, and in fairness, that scene does deserve an arrest.
It's just that Applebee's owners and managers should be the ones arrested. What that franchise does to their steaks and drinks is criminal.
*badumtish*

More more seriously, the vax-card obsession is dumb, the business shouldn't bother enforcing it for the state (who shouldn't have mandated such), the standards are stupid considering the capacity for vaccinated individuals to transmit the virus, the enforcement is ridiculous at a base level, and the fear used as justification is overblown to the degree of a paranoid schizophrenic.
Think that about covers it.

 

[Sobek]

this is why I think that the supreme court will in time obliterate the anti ID to vote argument is because they can point to all of this.

This will backfire on the democrats and they will deserve it.

Sadly no. They are aware of the inconsistency and simply do not care, at all. They refuse to address that and just keep pushing it.

If they cared at all, we wouldn't be seeing the abortion shitshow in Texas.

 

[Zachowon]

Sadly no. They are aware of the inconsistency and simply do not care, at all. They refuse to address that and just keep pushing it.

If they cared at all, we wouldn't be seeing the abortion shitshow in Texas.

Has it even gone up to that level yet?

 

[Cherico]

Has it even gone up to that level yet?

It hasn't gotten to that level yet but I think its only a matter of time.

 

[Zachowon]

It hasn't gotten to that level yet but I think its only a matter of time.

Then we don't know what they will do.

 

[Chiron]

Oh really? Let's see the actual discussion, shall we?

So you argued that people with the spectrometer don't have the time or resources, and you did so after I revealed that I myself did not have the right type for this test. Either put up or shut up, buy me a Raman Spectrometer and I'll get the proper training and do the test for you. Otherwise, I do believe that, yes, you're the bullshitter here with your moving goalposts between people who own a Raman Spectrometer and myself.

It is not a goalpost move, you said its easy to do, and can be done quickly. So go ahead and do it. Get the equipment, a COVID vaccine vial which is a controlled substance you just can't request without a Doctor's order for it and a Pharmacy certainly isn't just going to give you a vial for a home test, and said vial requires refrigeration, and then get a PZP vial and test them.

Get over those hurdles and then come back, we'll talk then. The onus is on you.

More goalpost moves. Unless you're trying to imply that every single person with a spectrometer is also by some coincidence not able to post to GAB? No. If the censorship by Twitter was as all-powerful as you claim, and the deep state so capable of massive coverups we never would be able to have this conversation in the first place as we'd all be censored from doing it.

A Deep State doesn't need to wow everyone, what they need is critical positions of authority captured and control the main flow of information to the masses and those in power.

Once you have the bureaucracy and control of information flow, you have effective control of the masses. Note this doesn't mean the Deep State is competent, on the contrary is it is by design incompetent and full of infighting and power games. End result is no one is in charge and no one is responsible. You may on occasion find a rare individual with integrity who can cut through the red tape, but by and large their is no transparency or accountability. Just a self-licking ice cream cone that runs on bureaucratic inertia to justify their existence by any means necessary.

In short the Deep State is the end stage of the Iron Law of Bureaucracy.

Now this site has what, a few hundred active users, all of diverse backgrounds and experiences, many not even US citizens. Do we constitute in anyway a threat to the Deep State? No, we don't, if we did, the Site Owner would have received an e-mail from the ISP informing of a complete shutdown of this site for some contrived reason or other.

Neither of us here has any real mass appeal like Andrew Torba who can't be bought and has to use his own built system to run like Alex Jones does.

Hell the site owner would love to have the mass appeal those 2 get, you have any ideal the amount of money he would generate from that? A billion dollars easily, but in turn, he would be inundated by the Deep State to sell out as controlled opposition or face being booted from all mainstream systems. I can't speak for the site owner obviously, but that is the reality that will be faced for the site owner if this place every gets to such a mass audience appeal.

 

[Cherico]

Then we don't know what they will do.

the democrats are hard at work creating the precident that will allow voter ID to be the law of the land.

Because at the end of the day the courts cant be set up to let one side do what ever the fuck they want they need consistant rules to work. And saying you need ID for an increasing number of things except voting...well that isnt going to fly long term.

 

[Zachowon]

the democrats are hard at work creating the precident that will allow voter ID to be the law of the land.

Because at the end of the day the courts cant be set up to let one side do what ever the fuck they want they need consistant rules to work. And saying you need ID for an increasing number of things except voting...well that isnt going to fly long term.

I mean in reply to Sobek