China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[LordsFire]

So first video is a nurse getting an empty shot on tv that was supposed to have the vaccine and the second is a nurse fainting five minutes after taking it

Now there could be reasons for both but it ain’t a good look.

I've got nothing on the first, but unless the second was injecting literal poison or she had an allergy attack, there's no way that a vaccine could cause someone to pass out that quickly.

 

[hyperspacewizard]

I've got nothing on the first, but unless the second was injecting literal poison or she had an allergy attack, there's no way that a vaccine could cause someone to pass out that quickly.

Hey I’m just saying it’s a bad look for both. Optics as so many on the Internet talk about matter at least a little.

 

[Planchar]

I've got nothing on the first, but unless the second was injecting literal poison or she had an allergy attack, there's no way that a vaccine could cause someone to pass out that quickly.

Looks like she had a vagal reaction

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Looks like she had a vagal reaction

I presume that is an exceedingly rare reaction?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I presume that is an exceedingly rare reaction?

Yes and no. A vagal reaction, otherwise known as neurocardiogenic syncope, is the medical term for fainting. More specifically, it's fainting in the "classic" sense of an involuntary physical response to a stimulus, as opposed to fainting due to an underlying medical condition (commonly cardiac -- it's not just a stereotype that a person with a weak heart is prone to fainting).

"Regular" fainting is basically the body's normal fight-flight-freeze response glitching and over-activating in response to a relatively weak triggering stimulus.

 

[PsihoKekec]

I'm quite affraid of needles but I was surprised to see, during the regular medical checkup in the elementary school, the biggest ans scariest boy in our class to to flat out faint when they took his blood sample, really drove home the point that size doesn't equal fearlessness. He later slinked out of the mandatory tubercolosis vacination to avoid the needle.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I'm quite affraid of needles but I was surprised to see, during the regular medical checkup in the elementary school, the biggest ans scariest boy in our class to to flat out faint when they took his blood sample, really drove home the point that size doesn't equal fearlessness. He later slinked out of the mandatory tubercolosis vacination to avoid the needle.

Yeah. Fainting isn't a function of conscious fear or cowardice; it's an involuntary physical reaction.

 

[Zachowon]

I cant stand getting blood drawn and have to look away or else I will pass out.
Tattoos are diffrent.
Shots I have gotten better at thanks to Army

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Yes and no. A vagal reaction, otherwise known as neurocardiogenic syncope, is the medical term for fainting. More specifically, it's fainting in the "classic" sense of an involuntary physical response to a stimulus, as opposed to fainting due to an underlying medical condition (commonly cardiac -- it's not just a stereotype that a person with a weak heart is prone to fainting).

I see. As far as side effects go, it could be a lot worse.

If it's even a side effect, come to think of it. Perhaps they just passed out due to the needle? People are bloody scared of those things (I'm not a fan), after all.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

If it's even a side effect, come to think of it. Perhaps they just passed out due to the needle? People are bloody scared of those things (I'm not a fan), after all.

Quite likely. Sudden, sharp stresses are the most common cause of fainting, and needles are way up there in "things many people find disproportionately scary and stressful".

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Quite likely. Sudden, sharp stresses are the most common cause of fainting, and needles are way up there in "things many people find disproportionately scary and stressful".

Oddly enough, human beings don't like having sharp bits of metal stuck into them.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Oddly enough, human beings don't like having sharp bits of metal stuck into them.

Yes, but I mean needles are specifically something people find scary, substantially over and above the general fear of being stabbed/impaled.

 

[ATP]

If producent really made themselves free from responsibility for any harm taken from vaccine,then it is fraud.If vaccines were safe,they would not do that.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

If producent really made themselves free from responsibility for any harm taken from vaccine,then it is fraud.If vaccines were safe,they would not do that.

*rolls eyes*

Contrary to the conspiracy theory bullshit being raised about special exemptions for the COVID vaccine, conditional immunity from liability for adverse side effects has been established federal law since 1988:

42 U.S. Code 300aa-22:

(a) General rule
Except as provided in subsections (b), (c), and (e) State law shall apply to a civil action brought for damages for a vaccine-related injury or death.

(b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.
(2) For purposes of paragraph (1), a vaccine shall be presumed to be accompanied by proper directions and warnings if the vaccine manufacturer shows that it complied in all material respects with all requirements under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act [21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.] and section 262 of this title (including regulations issued under such provisions) applicable to the vaccine and related to vaccine-related injury or death for which the civil action was brought unless the plaintiff shows—
(A) that the manufacturer engaged in the conduct set forth in subparagraph (A) or (B) of section 300aa–23(d)(2) of this title, or
(B) by clear and convincing evidence that the manufacturer failed to exercise due care notwithstanding its compliance with such Act and section (and regulations issued under such provisions).

(c)Direct warnings
No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, solely due to the manufacturer’s failure to provide direct warnings to the injured party (or the injured party’s legal representative) of the potential dangers resulting from the administration of the vaccine manufactured by the manufacturer.

(d) Construction
The standards of responsibility prescribed by this section are not to be construed as authorizing a person who brought a civil action for damages against a vaccine manufacturer for a vaccine-related injury or death in which damages were denied or which was dismissed with prejudice to bring a new civil action against such manufacturer for such injury or death.

(e)Preemption
No State may establish or enforce a law which prohibits an individual from bringing a civil action against a vaccine manufacturer for damages for a vaccine-related injury or death if such civil action is not barred by this part.

 

[LordsFire]

Yeah. Fainting isn't a function of conscious fear or cowardice; it's an involuntary physical reaction.

It absolutely can be a result of conscious fear or cowardice. Some people work themselves into a frenzy, overload, and black out.

That doesn't mean it necessarily is though. And even when it is, some people's systems are just easier for them to get themselves over-wrought enough to overload, so working themselves up into a moderate (or possibly even mild) frenzy might result in a faint, whereas other people who are having an extreme phobic reaction might not, simply because they have better physical health.

Like many psychological/psychiatric issues, blanket statements are rarely appropriate, and it should generally be handled case by case, which means individual by individual.

 

[Planchar]

I see. As far as side effects go, it could be a lot worse.

If it's even a side effect, come to think of it. Perhaps they just passed out due to the needle? People are bloody scared of those things (I'm not a fan), after all.

I wouldn’t consider it a side effect to be honest. It can happen any time to anyone. It’s completely benign and due to a temporary decrease in blood pressure due to the way your body reacts to a stressful situation.

I see it not infrequently when I put IVs in. In fact a couple of months ago I had 2 patients in a row when.

In fact I am sure that it’s happened to you.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

It absolutely can be a result of conscious fear or cowardice. Some people work themselves into a frenzy, overload, and black out.

That doesn't mean it necessarily is though. And even when it is, some people's systems are just easier for them to get themselves over-wrought enough to overload, so working themselves up into a moderate (or possibly even mild) frenzy might result in a faint, whereas other people who are having an extreme phobic reaction might not, simply because they have better physical health.

Like many psychological/psychiatric issues, blanket statements are rarely appropriate, and it should generally be handled case by case, which means individual by individual.

I would argue that a blanket statement that is generally true and accurate is perfectly appropriate in a forum that is not oriented towards actual diagnosis and treatment. Making a general statement in this context does not deny that edge cases and exceptions exist, and case-by-case handling is for actual patient cases.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Welp, what do you know, Boris has gone mad again. This time, he seems blissfully unaware that he has committed optical suicide by cancelling Christmas at the last moment.

BBC article on the matter

 

[ATP]

*rolls eyes*

Contrary to the conspiracy theory bullshit being raised about special exemptions for the COVID vaccine, conditional immunity from liability for adverse side effects has been established federal law since 1988:

Then what kind of idiots is taking any vaccine there ?

 

[Zachowon]

Mike Pence and his Wife are going to get the vaccine