Navarro
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I personally saw speculation ... that it was engineered ... but not as a weapon. As part of a program to develop a HIV vaccine, which would be really big $$$.
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China Wuhan Virus Pandemic
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I personally saw speculation ... that it was engineered ... but not as a weapon. As part of a program to develop a HIV vaccine, which would be really big $$$.
Navarro
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CarlManvers2019
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They will “save face” after this is over
By having your researchers come from Umbrella from Resident Evil? That's the only way that could really happen; I can't imagine any other scenario. Even doing basic shit like leaf mass counting at uni we still observed the very basic lab safety, and we all washed up at the end as well. Unless your staff are literally retarded they would be splashed with virus containing vials, and if by some dark wizardry they were then those same staff would be washed down and the material removed from them.
No one working with viruses is dumb enough to do that to themselves.
CarlManvers2019
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Just because it’s logical and simple to do it, doesn’t mean everybody will do it on instinct
Plus, this may not really have been a high priority thing or something higher ups or anybody important really focused on, just some wacky randomly funded thing
CarlManvers2019
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Did they stop the Hug A Chinese person and start a Don’t-Hug-or-Touch-ANYBODY campaign in Italy yet?
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Lockdown in Wuhan is lifted. Who knows if there's a second wave later.
Navarro
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If there is, we probably won't hear about it.
Not to mention the "just good enough" attitude common in communist countries.
CarlManvers2019
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What’s the exact standard of “just good enough”?
Terthna
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Fact of the matter is, China has zero health and safety standards; people there are either too lazy, selfish, or ignorant to do the bare minimum to keep themselves and other safe. I mean we're talking about a country where you cannot be sure that the street vendor you bought food from didn't cook it using "gutter oil"; aka raw sewage "processed" into something resembling cooking oil.
CarlManvers2019
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I thought China was the way to the future and extremely developed in only a few decades and stuff full of extremely educated and hard working people with a tiger-mom-culture
The Media are on the take for the WHO. As soon as President Trump started to mention that the WHO fucked up about the Wuhan Clan. They immediately cut away and went into full spin mode. So yeah you know how far the corruption is really going now between them and the CCP. Because the WHO is the CCPs Bitch.
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Navarro
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No one who is qualified to be working with such material (as in has the knowledge needed to do so from education) would not do that. What you're talking about is literally lab safety that is taught to 11 year old children up until the end of university. You literally cannot go through the education system that you need to go through to do things with microbial life without being taught lab safety every term for nearly ten years.
It'd be like saying that the virus came from people eating using the wrong end of the fork at the age of 30. It's literal nonsense.
Labs will have basic safety features such as hand sanitizes, coats and decontamination protocols that at the very least include a sink and soap. That's going to be the case regardless of the funding otherwise it wouldn't be a lab, it'd be a kitchen...and a dirty one at that.
The most likely cause for this virus at a quick glance is that it was a natural crossover event where the bat was infected and the human who came into contact became infected and spread it that way. China's lack of hygiene practices in their markets, their close living conditions and their shitty government policy helped spread it. The alternative is that the researcher he mentions managed to A) Infect herself in a lab, with a virus that she had contained in the lab, which means she would be lacking in the most basic lab safety equipment, basic lab safety practices and most basic understanding of viruses and B) Managed to gain a PhD and produce decently working information.
His source for the claim is not a scientist, he's an economist/social Doctor. He is not qualified to be talking about lab protocol, or to be giving information about the outbreak. There were people infected in the lab yes, and the early response research on the virus was likely conducted in the lab, but as he points out the lab itself is nearly across the road from the filthy market where a crossover event could very likely occur. It's more probable that the unsanitary conditions in the market caused the infection of the workers rather than the dramatic event of lab workers being splashed with bat blood and urine while not wearing safety gear (while working with known vectors of infection) and then subsequently not undergoing very basic sanitising procedures.
Which is a fine and good explanation except that these were not the average people of China, these were people working in a lab handling hazardous materials; the doctor in question herself was already examining crossover events between human and rodent based diseases which she knew to be contagious.
The explanation in the video is based on a man whose academic career covers such things as 'Exploring the Differential Effects of Online Reviews on Film's Box-Office Success: Source Identity and Brand Equity From an Integrated Perspective' He is not a qualified source on this, he was not an employee of the laboratory itself.
What that video proposes is that a woman with a series of advanced level qualifications in microbiology and virology worked with infectious animals without safety clothing, allowed said animals urine and blood to then come into contact with her face, did not clean this contact and took no actions to ensure that others within the lab knew about the contact or took any steps to try and minimise the chances of spreading once she was aware that contact had taken place.
Essentially she walked into a lab with animals she knew for a fact could transmit a virus to humans (as that was the subject of her initial research as two already existing cases of crossover had occurred) and let them piss on her face.
That's not plausible, that's insane.
Terthna
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Only if you look at what the CCP wants you to see; beneath the Potemkin village facade, China is thoroughly dysfunctional, and barely better than any other authoritarian state.
That's what happens in a country where there is zero effort made to preserve the environment, or to hold business interests accountable for damaging it.Not to mention its water supply:
Yes, those are actual Chinese water samples.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
To make zero cases, bodies get moved at night?
Doomsought
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Everyne in a communist country is a slave, they work not because they are rewarded for it but because the police will beat them if they don't work. Thus they will do the bare minimum needed not to be beaten.
They also neeeded to break the law for the basic neccessities of life, like getting enouhg food to eat, so if any law or rule seems arbitrary they will just ignore it. This includes food safety laws.
It's essentially a restart of the original issue where the regional government didn't want the CCP as a whole to know that the disease was there so they covered it up; only this time they don't want the world to know the disease is there to they're covering it up. Shockingly I can't see it going any other way than before where they fail to cover it up and it ravages people and spreads like crazy.
Viruses shockingly enough don't give a shit if you ignore them, in fact they'd be chuffed to be ignored because that's how they spread.
It's not just needing to break the law, it's the simple fact that laws in such places are enforced to suit the politics/desires of the local leader; the law is malleable for the right people and everyone knows it, meaning that the laws themselves are never seen as intrisically valuable.
Realistically in the UK burglary is not even being looked into in most cases because of our shit police, but most people value the law for being the law and are not going to go out doing illegal shit. This is not the case in places like China.
Terthna
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Well we already know they were eating the test animals, and selling the meat to local markets, so I'm not sure why you would think getting splashed with urine and blood and not doing anything about it would be beyond the pale for them. You just don't seem to understand that China is not like America or the UK; things don't work there the same way they work here. For one thing, they're taught to despise western medicine by the CCP, and hold traditional Chinese medicine as superior.