"Woke" Franchises

[Abhorsen]

The core reason that Star Trek, Star Wars, and Dr. Who are being targeted is because the underlying message in each case is hope. I know most of you don't understand the scale of this operation. It isn't just about subversion of culture (they did that 50 years ago), or "crushing the patriarchy," those things are just tools. An means to an end. The most dangerous concept to the international clique of power grabbers, is hope. Hope is the only thing that allows the weak and lowly the courage and fortitude to resist tyranny. That is where this is headed. A world government with a yet-to-be-named despot at the helm. The attack on our modern myths is only a small part of this. If you haven't noticed, all our myths are under attack. The ancient, classical, medieval, etc. ones have been under attack for far longer, to an even greater detriment. Removing our modern myths is just a final act in the total destruction of hope. You don't have to believe me. You'll see it eventually."

This is wrong. First, the focus on hope is crap. Almost every movie or show likes 'hope' or random positive emotion. They also went after Ocean's 11 and Ghostbusters, but those movies aren't defined by hope either.

Second, the guy is assuming malice. Malice is almost never the answer. Everyone views themselves as good, but wanting to do 'good' is one of the chief causes of bad. The cause of most problems is individual people who all believe similar, stupid things, trying to help, not some cabal of evil. No cabal of evil will ever be as scary as idiots trying to help.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The cause of most problems is individual people who all believe similar, stupid things, trying to help, not some cabal of evil. No cabal of evil will ever be as scary as idiots trying to help.

Yeah, I don’t believe there’s a conspiracy, just lots of people, including the real rich, being a bunch of idiots who will ruin even themselves

They’re just assuming they already won and are still confused as to why people dislike them and their actions and product

Some, not so much

 

[Husky_Khan]

Something I more or less stumbled into during gaming escapades.

The new defender from Rainbow Six: Siege has a really social justice focused background story.

Clash

"Fuck off you muppets!"— Clash Morowa "Clash" Evans is a Defending Operator featured in Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege. She was introduced in the Operation Grim Sky expansion alongside Maverick. Morowa Evans led the fight in her community against racist groups in often-violent clashes. She was...

rainbowsix.fandom.com

Beating up racists is fine and all, and then having to overcome the racism within the MPD and Scotland Yard... Then a weird theme of how she doesn't get along with her other military background operators because they're more right wing. Oh and the whole shaved head experience... Yeah know Carl Manvers will love this look.

Granted almost all of this backstory is literally background info that barely touches the game itself but still... Noticeable when it's all compiled in a single entry.

 

[Abhorsen]

Something I more or less stumbled into during gaming escapades.

The new defender from Rainbow Six: Siege has a really social justice focused background story.

Clash

"Fuck off you muppets!"— Clash Morowa "Clash" Evans is a Defending Operator featured in Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege. She was introduced in the Operation Grim Sky expansion alongside Maverick. Morowa Evans led the fight in her community against racist groups in often-violent clashes. She was...

rainbowsix.fandom.com

Beating up racists is fine and all, and then having to overcome the racism within the MPD and Scotland Yard... Then a weird theme of how she doesn't get along with her other military background operators because they're more right wing. Oh and the whole shaved head experience... Yeah know Carl Manvers will love this look.

Granted almost all of this backstory is literally background info that barely touches the game itself but still... Noticeable when it's all compiled in a single entry.

Rainbow 6 Siege is noted for having Anime level backstories. They aren't really that great for the newer operators.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Rainbow 6 Siege is noted for having Anime level backstories. They aren't really that great for the newer operators.

Oh yeah, and don't get me wrong... I actually love almost all of the Operator backstories to be honest and their overall look and everything. It's great so far. Just CLASH stuck out as pretty tryhard in being 'woke.'

 

[Husky_Khan]

Here's some positive news... anti-wokeness in regards to people constantly whining about comic book art.



Source:

Okay, I’ve become rather irked by how much the boobs-n-butt pose is so harped on, as if it’s some hilarious, impossible thing. These were done on a whim, so I apologize for the small/crappy photos and sketchy outlines. Once I find my camera again, I’d like to take some shots that show the whole body and how this pose actually works. These are all practical positions, and they were all relatively comfortable to do. Even though the boobs-n-butt pose looks a little funny, it’s entirely plausible and anatomically correct (although it can be taken too far). So, don’t be afraid to draw it. Hopefully these photos help a little with drawing such positions! EDIT: Sigh, tumblr, you’re so cute. I’m not sorry for appreciating the puppet I happen to inhabit, and painting the unique physical traits of the female human body (as well as the male body, of course, which I enjoy just as much). I’m a relatively active human being, and I enjoy stretching and hiking and testing the limits of this sack of meat. I enjoy sitting in a large variety of positions and studying my own anatomy. I felt this was an issue that needed to be addressed, so I simply figured it wouldn’t be a bad idea to make an attempt to help. Goodness.

Okay, I’ve become rather irked by how much the boobs-n-butt pose is so harped on, as if it’s some hilarious, impossible thing. These were done on a whim, so I apologize for the small/crappy photos and sketchy outlines. Once I find my camera again, I’d like to take some shots that show the whole...

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[Abhorsen]

Oh yeah, and don't get me wrong... I actually love almost all of the Operator backstories to be honest and their overall look and everything. It's great so far. Just CLASH stuck out as pretty tryhard in being 'woke.'

Eh, that makes sense though. I mean, 1/50 having a woke background? That makes some sense. Just like having a character, like Tracer, being gay. That's a reasonable representation choice. The problem comes when it's ever character must be gay/woke.

Also, Clash seems to now also target rioters as well as racists once she became a cop. So I gotta say, I'm liking this story more.
EDIT: From the Psych profile:

Despite the mistrust from her fellow Constables, Specialist Evans proved herself during the 2011 London Riots when she confronted those she once led; from the CCTV footage and eyewitness reports, those rioters showed her no mercy, but she was exemplary. I initially wondered what allowed her to switch sides and remain sane. It’s because she was still protecting Londoners from racists and those rioters alike who were indiscriminately hurting locals.

This shows how the character grew as a person, and I really don't see this as all that woke. It's basically saying a former Antifa realized that they were also the baddy, so decided to be a productive member of society instead. That's a great story!

 

[Deleted member 88]

You know I can't wait for artistic productions that are profoundly anti woke or aim to be offensive to wokeness and its sensibilities. Like a male protagonist that is an unabashed womanizer, or sexualized female protagonists with the hint hint of "fuck you if you have a problem with it", or even painting SJWS or their fictional equivalents(allegory) as bad guys, fools, or mooks to slay.

Maybe have a novel series where the protagonists are fantasy imperialists, or a sci fi series where the bad guys are a terrorist organization that wants to eradicate gender differences.

Stuff that would be unabashedly fun and good in its own right but also designed to inflame these crazies.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Oh yeah, I would love to see a faithful Flashman series.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You know I can't wait for artistic productions that are profoundly anti woke or aim to be offensive to wokeness and its sensibilities. Like a male protagonist that is an unabashed womanizer, or sexualized female protagonists with the hint hint of "fuck you if you have a problem with it", or even painting SJWS or their fictional equivalents(allegory) as bad guys, fools, or mooks to slay.

Maybe have a novel series where the protagonists are fantasy imperialists, or a sci fi series where the bad guys are a terrorist organization that wants to eradicate gender differences.

Stuff that would be unabashedly fun and good in its own right but also designed to inflame these crazies.

Maybe more jokes about being PC?

There’s “Mortally Challenged” in-regards to the new daemonic immigrants from hell whom everybody is supposed to willingly accept

You know, while it’s been said that fanfics are mostly Leftist, I’ve seen some guys make jokes there about PCness

Megamatt on archiveofourown/fanfictionnet once had an OC sister of G. Gordon Godfrey who used an army of fourth wave dyehaired fat feminists, one of whom screamed racist only to find out the cop arresting her was female and latina

Guy watches stuff like CW Supergirl and manages to NOT be WOKE whilst being a fan of it

 

[Lanmandragon]

I admit to some sarcasm because I've always disliked that suit (and I greatly preferred a run in Dynamite where, IIRC, she didn't wear it). At the same time I accept the point that I seemed to be implying that, and will clarify that I'm not accusing him of such, I was just making something of a point that guys liking Red Sonja isn't necessarily going to be because she's a strong female character, some will do it for the eye candy.

(As an aside, I'm still bemused by a Spider-Man/Red Sonja crossover in the aughts that was basically Red Sonja's spirit/essence possessing Mary Jane Parker's body. Poor Spidey had a bit of awkwardness through that story.)

Why exactly is it an issue if men think an attractive woman is attractive? This is quite literally our most basic biological urge. Men finding sexy women sexy even if fictional is in no way wrong or bad period. Not is it bad for authors to put sexy broads into thier works. "Objectification" isn't an actual problem at all. It's literally just sexual arousal tat pisses fwmjnsits off. Because it's not being directed at them and men enjoy it. Feminists being nothing more then a hate group can't stand this.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Why exactly is it an issue if men think an attractive woman is attractive? This is quite literally our most basic biological urge. Men finding sexy women sexy even if fictional is in no way wrong or bad period. Not is it bad for authors to put sexy broads into thier works. "Objectification" isn't an actual problem at all. It's literally just sexual arousal tat pisses fwmjnsits off. Because it's not being directed at them and men enjoy it. Feminists being nothing more then a hate group can't stand this.

I think there’s the problem in relations to the recent “counterculture” of the Left

Feminists or SJW types are acting as if they’re still part of some extremely sexist world wherein Badass female action characters are non existent

Obviously however they DO exist and ARE prevalent in fiction and IRL history and present day

One other thing has actually been won, you know what it is? The sexual revolution

Now women aren’t socially restricted to extremely conservative clothes that show little skin or are unfeminine and stuff

Again feminists and SJWs want to do another revolution and fight against something holding women down

Instead of it being extremely prudish social mores, they now want to beat down the desires of the “patriarchy” and their cursed “oppressive male gaze”

There’s also a thing with how SJWs make out “representation”

Aside from being as many colors and genders as the rainbow, “representation” is supposedly “easier” when women are more “average” in looks

Also, “average”=relatable and thus “likable”

 

[Big Steve]

Why exactly is it an issue if men think an attractive woman is attractive? This is quite literally our most basic biological urge. Men finding sexy women sexy even if fictional is in no way wrong or bad period. Not is it bad for authors to put sexy broads into thier works. "Objectification" isn't an actual problem at all. It's literally just sexual arousal tat pisses fwmjnsits off. Because it's not being directed at them and men enjoy it. Feminists being nothing more then a hate group can't stand this.

I'm not saying it's an issue if a guy finds a woman attractive, I'm saying Red Sonja's traditional chain-mail bikini is ridiculous, and that some guys will undoubtedly like the character not for her history, whatever stories she's been in, or any of that, but because "OMG chain mail bikini redhead is hawt!". I'm certainly not going to tell them they can't, but you can't have that attitude and then talk about "oh, I like strong women characters too!"

Also, that post you quoted is six months old, I didn't even remember the context until I looked it up.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I'm certainly not going to tell them they can't, but you can't have that attitude and then talk about "oh, I like strong women characters too!"

And I guess they also don’t think of this as being sexualised or attractive

Just a “strong” male character. Not “sexualised” in the least. He should be wearing kevlar over that ass

 

[Deleted member 88]

SJWism and what not is strangely prudish in its opposition to sexual appeal.

It’s as if feminism has come full circle. From advocating sexual liberation to condemning women advertising their sexual desirability.

Something in older societies-was due to religious mores and preventing the supposed bestial urges of men from running rampant.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

SJWism and what not is strangely prudish in its opposition to sexual appeal.

It’s as if feminism has come full circle. From advocating sexual liberation to condemning women advertising their sexual desirability.

Something in older societies-was due to religious mores and preventing the supposed bestial urges of men from running rampant.

I think they’ll approve of sexual stuff, if only because its the SJW creator doing it

There was a comic yeats back targeted at furries and SJWs

Also, Gwenpool is wearing a leotard and America Chavez’ legs are mostly exposed

 

[Culsu]

I'm not saying it's an issue if a guy finds a woman attractive, I'm saying Red Sonja's traditional chain-mail bikini is ridiculous, and that some guys will undoubtedly like the character not for her history, whatever stories she's been in, or any of that, but because "OMG chain mail bikini redhead is hawt!". I'm certainly not going to tell them they can't, but you can't have that attitude and then talk about "oh, I like strong women characters too!"

Also, that post you quoted is six months old, I didn't even remember the context until I looked it up.

I suppose it's also got a lot to do with the difference between public perception of a franchise on the one hand and the way said franchise is actually protrayed on the other hand. Point if fact, Conan. The public image is that of a big, burly barbarian in a loin cloth, when in the original short stories (and even Arnie's movies) he was clad in the best armor his standing at the time could get him.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I suppose it's also got a lot to do with the difference between public perception of a franchise on the one hand and the way said franchise is actually protrayed on the other hand. Point if fact, Conan. The public image is that of a big, burly barbarian in a loin cloth, when in the original short stories (and even Arnie's movies) he was clad in the best armor his standing at the time could get him.

You know, I'm honestly weirded out by how many of REH's characters are barbarians and yet wear regular clothes and use armor and are surprisingly smart

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

This is wrong. First, the focus on hope is crap. Almost every movie or show likes 'hope' or random positive emotion. They also went after Ocean's 11 and Ghostbusters, but those movies aren't defined by hope either.

Second, the guy is assuming malice. Malice is almost never the answer. Everyone views themselves as good, but wanting to do 'good' is one of the chief causes of bad. The cause of most problems is individual people who all believe similar, stupid things, trying to help, not some cabal of evil. No cabal of evil will ever be as scary as idiots trying to help.

Yeah, I don’t believe there’s a conspiracy, just lots of people, including the real rich, being a bunch of idiots who will ruin even themselves
They’re just assuming they already won and are still confused as to why people dislike them and their actions and product
Some, not so much

There was a literal cabal of evil from a literal evil empire that literally had a written down master plan to subvert the morals and cultures of their enemies.
Yuri Benzemov made this public decades ago. It should be common knowledge. The infection of media and literature is not some natural random event, or the happenstance of well-meaning madmen with no particular origin, it is the culmination of decades of concerted efforts by foreign entities.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

There was a literal cabal of evil from a literal evil empire that literally had a written down master plan to subvert the morals and cultures of their enemies.
Yuri Benzemov made this public decades ago. It should be common knowledge. The infection of media and literature is not some natural random event, or the happenstance of well-meaning madmen with no particular origin, it is the culmination of decades of concerted efforts by foreign entities.

Well, there is also that

Though they may not even know about any of this stuff

Aside from being put into motion long ago, it helps to have a bunch of really dumb edgy “rebels” wanting to “change the world” and idiots who are “change for the sake of change”

The obsession with “diversity” is the highest manifestation of this obsession so far