United States Why the hate for Donald Trump? I'm genuinely curious.

[MenimenLoop]

well, haters will always exist, doesn't matter if it's a nobody or a global star celebrity.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Napoleon. And before him, Pharoah.

Pharoah?

 

[LordsFire]

Pharoah?

When our nation was more steeped in Christian culture, Pharoah from Exodus was a boogieman everyone would understand fairly well.

 

[Arch Dornan]

well, haters will always exist, doesn't matter if it's a nobody or a global star celebrity.

Maybe they're also jealous of him.

 

[gral]

They said George Bush was worse than Hitler. If I recall correctly, the first Republican elected after WW2 was publically compared to Hitler.

That would have been Eisenhower. WTF?

 

[Lanmandragon]

They said George Bush was worse than Hitler. If I recall correctly, the first Republican elected after WW2 was publically compared to Hitler.

Ike they called the man who literally beat the Nazis a Nazi? Guess I shouldn't be surprised but damn.

 

[Bear Ribs]

As far as I know, every Republican president since the second world war has been compared to Hitler, and probably most of the candidates who weren't elected as well. Also every one of them I know of has been called some manner of idiot, insulting the intelligence of Republican presidents is pretty standard.

 

[Floridaman]

As far as I know, every Republican president since the second world war has been compared to Hitler, and probably most of the candidates who weren't elected as well. Also every one of them I know of has been called some manner of idiot, insulting the intelligence of Republican presidents is pretty standard.

Yep, that is even the source of the Goldwater rule, barring psychiatrists from commenting on someone other than their patient, not that it stops them.

 

[gral]

As far as I know, every Republican president since the second world war has been compared to Hitler, and probably most of the candidates who weren't elected as well. Also every one of them I know of has been called some manner of idiot, insulting the intelligence of Republican presidents is pretty standard.

Yeah, I remember a hoax email about an institute that had managed to determine the IQs of every American president since Kennedy. Interestingly enough, the only Republican president to grade above 110 was, you guessed it, Richard Nixon...

 

[Bear Ribs]

Was that the one that determined that Bill Clinton was the smartest man alive and George Bush had an IQ in the low 70s? I think I remember it.

 

[Navarro]

Thes people claim to be a rational believers, but in reality they are just another sort of religionists, that they themselves so despise. Just look at Mueller, who was portrayed by them as a veritable St. George, who will slay the wicked dragon, there was even Mueller theme worship parnaphelia, like prayer candles, which supposedly sold rather well, before the big dissapointment. Hell, even in my rare excursions into Whitehall I could read the progs talking about him with reverence, not out of place in religious texts.

I even saw them literally composing parodies of the Lord's Prayer over him on Reddit.

 

[gral]

Was that the one that determined that Bill Clinton was the smartest man alive and George Bush had an IQ in the low 70s? I think I remember it.

I think it was that one, yes.

 

[Cherico]

Was that the one that determined that Bill Clinton was the smartest man alive and George Bush had an IQ in the low 70s? I think I remember it.

Bill Clinton is very smart he was a rodes scholar after all, he also dragged the democratic party into the political center and created NAFTA one of the biggest pieces of trade legislation in american history. He had some misteps along the way some of which were caused by his noted horrible taste in women and others caused by his disintrest in international relations (Which every president since him has shared every one wants to be a domestic leader first)

Over all he was decent.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Bill Clinton is very smart he was a rodes scholar after all, he also dragged the democratic party into the political center and created NAFTA one of the biggest pieces of trade legislation in american history. He had some misteps along the way some of which were caused by his noted horrible taste in women and others caused by his disintrest in international relations (Which every president since him has shared every one wants to be a domestic leader first)

Over all he was decent.

Was he involved with the Balkans wars and Mogadishu?

 

[Cherico]

Was he involved with the Balkans wars and Mogadishu?

Mogadishu turned into a disaster because he wasn't interested in international relations and the only reason we got stuck in the Balkan wars was because Europe wouldn't step in to clean up the mess that was in their neighborhood.

 

[Bacle]

Mogadishu turned into a disaster because he wasn't interested in international relations and the only reason we got stuck in the Balkan wars was because Europe wouldn't step in to clean up the mess that was in their neighborhood.

Mogadishu was also a shit storm because Clinton pulled out the Abrams group he had stationed there, and wouldn't give the commander the AC-130 gunship support he requested.

The whole 'Black Hawk Down' incident might never have happened, or at least not been as bad, if those assets had been in place.

As for the threads main topic, people dislike Trump for a variety of reasons, some semi-logical, some personality based, some because the don't like GOP politicians on principle, and some because the hate what he represents.

I'll be straight, I was not a fan of Trump for a while. I remember watching The Apprentice and hearing about him in tabloid news, seemed like just another rich New York socialite-businessman with a bit of an ego.

However, when he came out for the GOP as a nominee/candidate, and started talking politics, I saw someone who spoke to my concerns and wasn't scared to double-down on politically-incorrect, but honest realities. I voted Johnson last time because I thought Hillary might win and would go after Dems who voted for Trump; this time I'm voting straight R on the ticket and probably will continue to do so in the future.

 

[Bigking321]

The thing is, I understand what Trump does and why, but I don't understand the reactions to it.

He isn't a part of either sides establishment and the media can't destroy him like they did bush.

So all the political snakes (all Democrats and all elitist Republicans) hate his guts. The never trump movement was full of Republicans willing to let Hillary win just to keep the game the same.

He is a political outside context problem. They have no idea how to deal with him and all their attempts to destroy him have outright failed or backfired.

That enrages them. That stupid neanderthal doesn't respect us! US!!! The ELITE! The powerful!

That's unforgivable.

The next Democrat president, whenever it happens, will spend their entire presidency trying to ruin anyone involved with the trump administration. Legally or otherwise.

 

[LordsFire]

Bill Clinton is very smart he was a rodes scholar after all, he also dragged the democratic party into the political center and created NAFTA one of the biggest pieces of trade legislation in american history. He had some misteps along the way some of which were caused by his noted horrible taste in women and others caused by his disintrest in international relations (Which every president since him has shared every one wants to be a domestic leader first)

Over all he was decent.

...Bill Clinton was certainly clever, and probably smart in terms of raw IQ, but he laid the foundation for a lot of disasters.

He repeatedly refused to take Bin Laden when the man was offered to him on a silver platter.

He signed a *massive* tax increase.

The Lewinsky scandal isn't seen as a big deal by a lot of people now, but part of that is because of the normalization of promiscuity that the Monica Lewinsky scandal created. It also completely destroyed meaningful accountability for the office of the Presidency.

His half-heartedness in Mogadishu and the Balkans directly built into the perception of America as a 'paper tiger,' which is part of what had so many 7th-rate powers willing to pick fights with us.

His administration is arguably responsible for China gaining the ability to build proper ICBMs.

He set up the internal separation in the American intelligence apparatus that meant 9/11 happened, even though the knowledge to prevent it was spread across several different offices.

There's more, but frankly 'all the things Clinton got wrong' isn't a subject I've brushed up on in many years. Just remember this: In a similar manner to how the press was enamored of Obama and hid his faults, while absolutely villifying Trump, they gave the same treatment to Clinton and Bush. Consider how that may affect your perspective on things, especially if you weren't aware of how insanely biased the media is at the time. The 90's was the final decade of the height of the MSMs power.

 

[Arch Dornan]

...Bill Clinton was certainly clever, and probably smart in terms of raw IQ, but he laid the foundation for a lot of disasters.

He repeatedly refused to take Bin Laden when the man was offered to him on a silver platter.

He signed a *massive* tax increase.

The Lewinsky scandal isn't seen as a big deal by a lot of people now, but part of that is because of the normalization of promiscuity that the Monica Lewinsky scandal created. It also completely destroyed meaningful accountability for the office of the Presidency.

His half-heartedness in Mogadishu and the Balkans directly built into the perception of America as a 'paper tiger,' which is part of what had so many 7th-rate powers willing to pick fights with us.

His administration is arguably responsible for China gaining the ability to build proper ICBMs.

He set up the internal separation in the American intelligence apparatus that meant 9/11 happened, even though the knowledge to prevent it was spread across several different offices.

There's more, but frankly 'all the things Clinton got wrong' isn't a subject I've brushed up on in many years. Just remember this: In a similar manner to how the press was enamored of Obama and hid his faults, while absolutely villifying Trump, they gave the same treatment to Clinton and Bush. Consider how that may affect your perspective on things, especially if you weren't aware of how insanely biased the media is at the time. The 90's was the final decade of the height of the MSMs power.

And plenty more presidents will later fuck up a good thing later in the future I can forsee.

 

[Brutus]

And plenty more presidents will later fuck up a good thing later in the future I can forsee.

But none like President Trump, the Orange Haired Anti-Christ who's very existence will be spoken of in whispers for generations to come or until Apple released the Iphone x20.