It's easy to find anybody if you're standards are low, I don't want covid vaxxed women, that cuts out some shit like 80-90% of em for starters.
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Just going by the standard you were talking about, women who are not "vapid soulless automatons", they are not that hard to find.
If you say so. Agree to disagree.
Have you looked? Really looked. Really gone to places where you would find such women. Have you put the work into yourself to make yourself attractive to good women? Wallowing in bitterness isn't attractive to good women. I could tell you where to look but it's not going to do you much good with your current mindset.
If you like bluntness, I'm reminded of Alec Baldwin's scene from Glengarry Glen Ross.
The leads aren't weak. You're weak. Alec Baldwin's character had even better leads... But giving it to these guys would have been throwing them away. The problem was ultimately with them, not the leads.
If you want to talk about feminity or masculinity, what's more masculine? Sitting around complaining about how hard it is to find a woman who isn't a "vapid soulless automaton"? Or determining that you want something better for yourself than being bitter and lonely and miserable, putting the work in to yourself, and then putting yourself out there to find a good woman regardless of how hard it is?
Pffftt, try something OTHER than shaming tactics. Embarrassing.
As a counter measure to that?
Have you been in todays dating market? Its fucking horrible.
Maybe its a cali thing but every date I've been on for the last decade has felt more like a job interview and a bad one then an actual date. I go out and I don't even have fun, its just horrible. And even the unatractive girls the ones below 5 are typically snobby and are just god awful to deal with.
Its gotten to the point were I've had to clearly establish a rule and open with it that if a girl is a complete ass on the date I'm leaving. And I've had to enforce that rule more then once.
I mean yeah I get self improvement and all of that but the flip side is that the girl has to be worth the sacerfice and a lot of women just arnt.
DarthOne
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Exactly all this!
AnimalNoodles
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Not shaming. Just putting things bluntly, and taking away your excuses.
"Today's dating market" on whole is terrible, yes, as it is part of today's society, which is terrible. That doesn't mean it's impossible to find good women. You have to know where to look, and you have to be the kind of person a good woman will find attractive.
Where are you looking? Are you looking for women in places where good, moral people are found? Places where the value of relationships is elevated and marriage is held as sacred. Are you involved in social groups spun off from those sorts of places?
Are you the kind of person who would even fit in those sorts of places? Can you genuinely present yourself as a man who believes in a transcendent moral standard? Are you submitted to a higher good that supersedes your own transient wants and desires?
It's higher religious values and morals that create women who are not just vapid and self-absorbed. The thing is, those women are going to expect the same from the men they want relationships with. If that's not the kind of person you are, not the kind of person you want to be, the issue isn't that good women are impossible to find. The issue is you're keeping yourself out of the dating pool where you would find good women. If you keep yourself in a dating pool with snobby and self absorbed women, you're only going to find that kind of women to go on dates with.
You can overcome systemic problems on an individual level, certainly.
AnimalNoodles
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Not in aggregate, no. A certain percentage will. But most cannot. Does that mean individuals should not strive to improve themselves? Of course not. But pushing "bootstraps" is just a way to tranquilize people into avoiding the necessary systemic struggles needed.
Systemic problems, require systemic solutions.
DarthOne
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The problem is two things here.
1) you have the self-entitled women starting to show up at these places trying to get a man now that guys are wising up. Especially when women get to their 30’s and 40’s and Chad won’t sleep with them anymore because he’s after the younger model.
2) even allegedly ‘good’ women are often infected with the ‘I’m a princess, I have a right to have whatever I want’ and ‘relationships need to be exciting all the time’ mindsets. Along with a side order of what I think is referred to as ‘monkey branching’. That is they’ll discard a guy if they think they can get Someone Better.
Which is especially a problem these days with guys earning less than women. And as we know, women never, EVER date someone who makes less then they do. And those that do often end up leaving their boyfriend/husband anyway.
None of what I've said is meant to downplay the systemic problems in modern society or act like those problems shouldn't be addressed on a systemic level.
These are the attitudes of someone who doesn't understand higher moral values and religious beliefs to begin with. They're excuses you tell yourself so you can avoid those things and act like the problem is all with women and not with yourself. There are women who genuinely hold these values and beliefs, who are capable of loyalty, commitment, and maturity, who aren't just going to abandon their relationship if they think they can get "someone better". That's part of what I include when I talk about "good women" in the first place.
Also, "never, EVER", huh? I can speak from personal experience that that isn't true. More important than that is showing signs that you are actively moving your life forward and not just stagnating.
This thread is a good example on why men are just calling it quits.
Protip, if someone says the juice isn't worth the squeeze, don't shame them, you're only feeding their already decided minds. Hilarious.
Protip, if someone says the juice isn't worth the squeeze, don't shame them, you're only feeding their already decided minds. Hilarious.
That was a fascinating discussion. It didn't really match the title, though. I was kind of expecting them to talk about the typical financial outcome of seeking a woman (and finding one, presumably). Instead it was just sort of talking about social trends in modern times with regard to what it's like to look for someone of the opposite sex for the purpose of starting a romantic relationship. Fascinating stuff, but I'm not sure what it's got to do with the points I've been making.
Not shaming you. It would have been one thing if you said that personally you're not interested in marriage because as you see it, it's not worth the costs and risks. You're the one who came in here, completely ignored my OP, likened marriage to "sticking your dick in a blender", and insinuated that no sane person would defend it. If you want to "call it quits", fine, I'm not going to shame you for it. But as long as you're here spouting irrational excuses for your bitterness and saying things that are just incorrect, I'm going to call you on those things.
But I'm also going to say it doesn't have to be this way. You don't have to relegate yourself to bitterness and misery and loneliness. You can say that's "not worth the squeeze", but any sane person is going to shake their head.
"I'm not shaming you"
>Proceeds to use shaming tactics
Unbelivable.
>Proceeds to use shaming tactics
Unbelivable.
You can do better for yourself than bitterness and loneliness and misery.
Mate, you don't get to decide how people are feeling lmao. Hell I might agree on the bitterness, but lonely and miserable? Absolutely not.
Shockingly you don't need vapid soulless automatons to be kept with company and happiness.
Your bitter, irrational mindset leads to loneliness and misery. That's the point I made to you from the start.
I'm not lonely or miserable though, so your thesis has failed pretty badly. :V