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Arch Dornan

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Antifa has plenty of organizing figures like Spencer. They just aren't CNN's pet Nazi, so you don't hear about them, and the equivalent to Spencer on Antifia's side aren't as heavily connected (by the media) to Antifa as Spencer is: they're "legit" heads of groups like professors, public speakers, and Nonprofit organization heads, who just so happen to have strong Antifa connections, unlike "illegitimate" public speaker and nonprofit head Spencer, who has (sometimes extremely tenuous) connections to organizations, or so often random individuals, who commit violence.

Like, the equivalent of Richard Spencer for Antifa is someone like Owen Jones: does public speaking, pushes the ideology, and does fundraising for them. Its just that Richard Spencer is connected to every act of violence that happens, no matter whether he condemned it or not, while someone like Owen Jones is treated as blameless for violence he specifically calls for.

Its anoying that people keep calling large, organized, well funded, politically connected armed gangs "spontanious, random violence, and totally not an organization". But a random nutter deciding to get violent and kill someone who had no connection to any organization and did his violence with no support at all is part of some vast, right wing conspiracy.

I'm sorry, but I consider the vast, organized army far more dangerous than random lone nutters. The organized army can, and actually does, wield political power. Them not killing people is much more a sign of their immense power that they don't need to, rather than a moral superiority.
Professors wasn't that get me some muscle professor part of antifa?

Another I remember was a teacher in a Christian religious school but after revealing his beliefs he had to resign due to fears of brainwashing his students.
 

Terthna

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Professors wasn't that get me some muscle professor part of antifa?

Another I remember was a teacher in a Christian religious school but after revealing his beliefs he had to resign due to fears of brainwashing his students.
Don't forget the professor who went around beating at least seven people over the head with a bike lock. Fun fact; most of the charges against him were dismissed, and he only got three years probation, based on a single misdemeanor battery charge, even though he put several people in the hospital.
 

Comrade Clod

Gay Space Communist
Don't forget the professor who went around beating at least seven people over the head with a bike lock. Fun fact; most of the charges against him were dismissed, and he only got three years probation, based on a single misdemeanor battery charge, even though he put several people in the hospital.

Nah thats just the American justice system.

Literally yesterday a police officer got off charges of rape of someone he arrested.
 

Comrade Clod

Gay Space Communist
What was the evidence he committed rape? Because unless it was caught on video, there's no comparison here.

The person was a prisoner, the officer admitted to having sex with her. (and he also let her two male friends off scot free)

Consent issues = rape.
 

Terthna

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The person was a prisoner, the officer admitted to having sex with her. (and he also let her two male friends off scot free)

Consent issues = rape.
That makes it a different situation entirely; less "did he do it?" more "is what he did illegal?". Personally, I agree that it probably was, though I'd need a lot more information to be sure.
 

Aaron Fox

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The person was a prisoner, the officer admitted to having sex with her. (and he also let her two male friends off scot free)

Consent issues = rape.
However, it becomes a pure 'he says, she says' style argument if you don't have an electronic panopticon operational.
 

Comrade Clod

Gay Space Communist
However, it becomes a pure 'he says, she says' style argument if you don't have an electronic panopticon operational.

....No?

Its not a he says she says. He admits to having sex with the woman, while she was arrested by him.

There is a consent issue a mile wide with that, which makes it rape.
 

Isem

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....No?

Its not a he says she says. He admits to having sex with the woman, while she was arrested by him.

There is a consent issue a mile wide with that, which makes it rape.
If I recall correctly the problem was that for some dumb reason no one bothered to put it into law that you can't have sex with prisoners/whatever she classified as consenting or otherwise to prevent shit like this from happening so they couldn't charge them for that part. For what it's worth I believe that got changed after this case.

Without that all there was was a case of did she consent or not and there's not much evidence to work with there unfortunately.
 

GoldRanger

May the power protect you
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....No?

Its not a he says she says. He admits to having sex with the woman, while she was arrested by him.

There is a consent issue a mile wide with that, which makes it rape.

I don't understand. Couldn't she consent to sex while in custody?
 

Aaron Fox

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....No?

Its not a he says she says. He admits to having sex with the woman, while she was arrested by him.

There is a consent issue a mile wide with that, which makes it rape.
That is how rape cases generally boil down to, it is a 'he said/she said' situation. Getting evidence for rape is horrifically rare and at best flawed. That's the sad truth to the matter. I wish it wasn't but it is.
If I recall correctly the problem was that for some dumb reason no one bothered to put it into law that you can't have sex with prisoners/whatever she classified as consenting or otherwise to prevent shit like this from happening so they couldn't charge them for that part. For what it's worth I believe that got changed after this case.

Without that all there was was a case of did she consent or not and there's not much evidence to work with there unfortunately.
Without laws that specifically state otherwise, the problem will exist. That is why I've gone so authoritarian over the years.
 

JagerIV

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Nah thats just the American justice system.

Literally yesterday a police officer got off charges of rape of someone he arrested.

Suggesting Antifa leadership is part of the inner party protected class is not really good support of your contentions that Antifa isn't powerful ...
 

GoldRanger

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No, there is a difference of power between the arresting officer and the woman which makes any such advance coercive by nature. Its been established in several court cases.
I see the logic behind that. A bit like relationships within the chain of command in the military are extremely frowned upon. The balance of power is too disproportional.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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I see the logic behind that. A bit like relationships within the chain of command in the military are extremely frowned upon. The balance of power is too disproportional.

Well, there is a rule in the Canadian Government, and I think others that applies to this, "If it looks like a conflict of interest, it is a conflict of interest". In cases like these, even if it is all above board, you really should avoid things like this due to how it might appear and be perceived from the outside and by the other party.
 

Arch Dornan

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I heard she wants to visit the Palastian territories and I understand why theres no better place to get stoned after a rough divorce.
Yeah I heard of that when extra marital affairs and divorce get involved.

So I figure the next time she visits her welcome won't be as well received if news gets out unless they tolerate that for the greater good.
 

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