Made all of that private - and,instead of few shoemakers we have,let people made small factories.Not with 5-10 workers as in OTL,but as many as needed.Remember,we have small factory making first microcomputers in the world/K202/ and commies destroyed that.Becouse it was private.With most of agriculture being private, NEP is well advanced already
White Eagle, Revolutionary Eagle?
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Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Well to keep the thread going, here is a map of the current state of the world.
And this is the question should I go in characters and first person or general situation?
And this is the question should I go in characters and first person or general situation?
Buba
A total creep
A mix
But first and foremost - whatever you are happy with.
Your monkeys, your circus!
And thanks for the map!
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Buba
A total creep
Here you can check which Russian Army units have been lost:
A quick glance says - five Army Corps - c.10 InfDiv out of 65. 6 CavDiv out of 22. With smaller units and materiel stocks in Modlin - almost one fifth of entire army?
THE RUSSIAN ARMY, 1914
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A quick glance says - five Army Corps - c.10 InfDiv out of 65. 6 CavDiv out of 22. With smaller units and materiel stocks in Modlin - almost one fifth of entire army?
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Well to keep the thread going, here is a map of the current state of the world.
And this is the question should I go in characters and first person or general situation?
Is there a mass migration of Kresy Poles to Poland proper in this TL?
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
First Poland has to punch its neighbors so that they don't want to eat it.
But as for the second. No, it is rather the other way round, there is a mass emigration to the freshly sucked out Kresy.
But instead there is a re-immigration of Poles and their descendants from all over the world to Poland. Especially those from the U.S., who may decide that now it is better to return home, which is the richest country in the world in terms of income and wealth per capita and the most technologically advanced.
Do you know how much all Poles would consider even communist and red Poland as God's blessing and a reward for Poles?
Absurdly.
And above all, the Poles from the Rhineland would return, because the old Poland would need workers for itself, and they were already here and knew their job, and the journey was only a long but easy one by rail.
Punching 1914 germany and Russia is not hard - problem is,what next? if they do not destroy both german and russian empire,after 40 years or so they would crush Poland.
P.S Poland in 1974 have first microcomputer/K202/,Meteor rockets which could be made into bigger version capable of taking satellites - so, Poland could go to space in,let say,1930.Moon - 1940,Mars - 1960.
And ,if Gierek have son,he could marry tsar daughter and become King!
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
I would rather not overestimate either Russia or Germany. We are destroying Germany and its military power for over half a century and even more, and what the world needs from German products when Poland can make them in much greater quantity and better quality due to technological advantage? (Because that I will leave socialism in economy is a sure thing).
Another thing is that de facto we are becoming the main player on the continent and there is one world player who likes the idea of Poland vs Europe and will be willing to help us not to lose but at the same time not to dominate Europe too much.
The problem is Russia, but not for technological or even economic reasons. The problem is that it is so damn big and its level of roads and railroads, well. Even over 30 years later it wasn't overly better. While we can easily occupy the entire coastline because we can desant everywhere with childish ease and our air force will make sure the tsarist fleet does not interfere, it will not be easy to march inland. (Another thing is that even Germans are not better in terms of roads, only the fact that they have a decent railroad makes the march relatively easy).
Unfortunately, that's not how it works. Another thing is that I rather have in my mind a path to IIRP/IIIRP with a strong President than a new Monarchy. (Although if I do, maybe as a part of Polish-Austrian rapprochement PRL will change into People's Kingdom of Poland with King Carl Stefan Hasburg on the throne. Another thing is that I have a weakness for Polish Hasburgs, and giving Karol Stefan to the throne gave me a nice incentive to own them and build the Polish Navy in the real sense. And so ATP a certain aircraft carrier from Greetings and her two smaller friends will also appear here. I just have to have them.).
I wouldn't venture to Mars, but if we can already make our own rockets and are slowly approaching the stage of launching them into space, (seriously) then this ALT by 2022 we can probably have our own network of satellites and even our own GPS. (And also the idea of presenting different omake with possible visions of the future, of this ISOT is on my mind. For now I have an idea for a dark vision of the future ala Germany won WWII with Wolfestein).
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Day I, Battle of Terespol Part I
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
For Pomeranian WOP the first of April, apart from a few clashes with local police and one short clash on a bridge, was a calm day in which all operational tasks were performed without any major problems. Both islands, Rügen and Usedom, fell in a couple of hours, and around 15:00 a state TV crew was already on the islands, filming footage that was to be used for propaganda and the evening message to the nation.
In turn amongst civilians in Poland all sorts of rumours started to spread, when rapidly trains were stopped to allow transport for the army, telephone network was periodically and locally switched off, especially in border areas. In turn the sudden withdrawal of all passes for the army and the rapid announcement on radio and television about the introduction of food rationing only deepened the aura of fear and confusion.
But not everywhere was so peaceful, in the border town of Terespol on the border with Russia not far from it, the local 23 Chełm WOP detachment since the morning train crash on the bridge over the Bug River led a fierce and desperate defense of the town together with the local Militia station with the Russian Garrison of Brest Fortress.
Unfortunately for the Poles, the event followed the border as marked on the map, and the Brest Fortress was entirely within the territory of the USSR, because the border on this section bounced off the river and passed right under the fortress walls before returning back to the river.
Although the Poles learned about the whole affair much earlier from the Russians, this advantage was not exploited very well and now this negligence avenged on them. Although they sent to help the town one of the two infantry companies kept in reserve for the 23rd Chełm WOP, this was a drop in the ocean of needs.
The garrison of the fortress was huge and well equipped, after all it was one of many in the network of fortresses keeping the conquered Poland in check. Lieutenant General Wlodzimierz Laiming had under his command enough men and solid armaments to win with limited losses against WOP soldiers, helping Militiamen and armed in desperation volunteers from the area.
Above all, it had artillery while its enemies had to rely solely on infantry equipment.
Therefore, when on the island of Usedom the landing of more barges was taking place, in Terespol defenders were having the first clashes with Russian infantry sent for reconnaissance. Although they were a massacre for the Russians, they quickly retreated behind the line of a small river, not wanting to be caught by the Russian artillery.
For the Russians, however, this battle reconnaissance gave a clear picture of the advantage in firepower on the side of the unknown enemy, although Polish inscriptions and the kidnapped inhabitants from the eastern and approaching Terespol Fortress allowed them to know that their opponent were Poles.
Where and why they were here, along with their strange clothes, were interesting questions, but Laiming decided that Terespol should be secured first, and then sought answers. He quickly mobilized his four infantry regiments forming the Reserve Brigade and threw them at the few defenders in the strength of two companies.
The defenders, dispersed in three directions, conducted delaying actions trying to give time to evacuate the inhabitants, which was not easy since they could only put a platoon against each infantry regiment. And it was necessary to defend from three sides and to hold the railroad station at the same time.
Unfortunately the command in Chełm could not send more reinforcements, the second infantry company had to be on standby to have something to throw at the border in other sections.
Well, the border with the former USSR wasn't as urgently and heavily manned as that with Germany and Czechoslovakia, nobody was stupid enough to run away to the heart of darkness, right?
The first sign that the Russians are attacking was the hour-long shelling of Terespol by artillery fire in the Fortress, then when the shelling stopped the Russian infantry moved to the attack, which used the artillery fire as cover for their own preparations.
Then, at 8:00 a.m., the enemy moved to attack in three strikes. Laiming to the firepower of the defenders decided to stretch the Polish defense. From the north along the tracks struck 189th Infantry Regiment going straight to the train station to Terespol, the whole thing was squeezed and hugged along the tracks that went through swamps which defending platoon used to the disadvantage of the Russians.
Using the advantage in firepower he stopped the entire regiment on the tracks and massacred the battalion walking along the tracks within the first 15 minutes of the battle, forcing the Russians to immediately send another in its place. However, Russian Colonel Mikhail Poroshenko sent a second battalion through the swamps south of the tracks in an attempt to flank the Polish platoon.
The latter had more luck, but clashed with a platoon sent by the local militia to cover the town from the swamps, just in case. Fortunately for the Russians, this platoon was less well armed, mainly with old Mosin rifles and submachine guns, so the attack went forward despite noticeable losses.
The commanding officer of the platoon, Civilian Militia Corporal Jan Nowak, therefore quickly asked for support from the commanding officer of the defense, Captain Konrad Dwojak, to send reinforcements. The only thing he could do was to redirect one team from the northern platoon to his position.
This is where the greatest Polish advantage that was evident throughout the battle became apparent, the vehicles. Thanks to cars, the Poles could move a squad or an infantry section from a safe section to a threatened one with unimaginable speed for the Russians.
And so the quickly redeployed team supported the militia platoon, forcing the Russians to retreat deep into the swamps behind the stream.
Meanwhile, in the south, from the second auxiliary strike the Russian attack developed better, the Poles carried out in the strength of half a battalion (that is, two platoons) delaying actions on the previously prepared positions in Terespol retreating under the solid pressure of an entire infantry regiment and a battalion sent from the main strike from the Border Checkpoint west to the city.
Here the Poles retreated with great speed by means of their vehicles, having previously set fire to the GPK in order to prevent important information from falling into the hands of the Russians and to obscure the surroundings with smoke. The first of the two platoons pulled behind them two Russian Battalions, including one from the main line of attack thus helping the defenders in the middle battalion retreated to the line of buildings in the southern part of Terespol.
The second one, pulling the rest of the auxiliary attack behind him, withdrew to a position in Włóczki village and when the Russians began to approach too closely, hid in the woods just to the left of the lake. The fighting continued fiercely, although not without losses on the Polish side, but always at the great expense of the Russians. Both sides fired mercilessly at each other, but unlike the battles in the North, here the Russians were able to advance in a wider formation going through a field. And considering that it was not yet the season for earthworks, these fields were empty, overgrown in some places with meadow. But the most important thing was that both platoons could support each other with fire without the need to move, because from their resistance points the advancing Russians could be seen as if from both sides.
The most fierce and bloody fights took place where the Russian attack fell, i.e. along Ludowy Wojska Polskiego Street, which was the main artery of the city and at the same time led through Wspólna Street to the Brest Fortress.
It was here that most artillery fire fell, turning the eastern district of Terespol into rubble. Polish resistance was based on the Orthodox Church, the cemetery on the other side of the lagoon, the bridge, and a small forest on the north side of the bridge.
The team in Church defended themselves fiercely and courageously, despite the fact that they were on the wrong side of the flood plain as the rest of their Platoon. And all they could get from them was fire support.
Opposite them, two infantry regiments, 191 and 192, went into the attack, with 191 being the first and 192 kept in the perimeter until all regiments thrown into the attack began to report heavy losses. Then the 192nd was broken into battalions and two were sent to assist in the main attack, while one each was sent to the auxiliary.
Of course, Colonel Lev Zubov protested against breaking his unit into single battalions. General Laiming took note of this and ordered him to take command in place of Colonel Bogdan Pronin, a Polish sharpshooter killed by a bullet, commanding the 190th Regiment advancing in the southern strike.
His death broke up the local attack and caused panic among the Russians, who were held back solely by the will of their commander who, in order to encourage his soldiers, appeared among them to continue the advance despite the losses. This was the reason for his death when he visited the platoons occupying the village of Wloczki. Allowing the Polish captain to quickly send the platoon defending the south of the city to the center over the bridge.
The fighting then lasted almost four hours, a large part of the inhabitants had already been evacuated and an infantry company from Chelm, sent by train to help, was unloading at the station. There was no direct connection from Chelm to Terespol or at least to Biala Podlaska so the journey took some time. Fortunately, the MO(Citizen Militia) headquarters in Biala Podlaska sent a solid support allowing to relieve one and a half platoon about an hour and a half from the beginning of the Battle of Terespol.
Only the rapid redeployment of a perhaps tired but additional Platoon from the south allowed the temporary rejection in a sudden and unexpected local counterattack on the Russians who had already taken the church killing all the defenders beforehand.
Unfortunately, the Polish advance only served to drive the Russians from the vicinity of the church and adjacent May Street. As soon as they were forced out of these areas, the Poles immediately retreated behind the lagoon, while South Platoon quickly returned to their old positions as soon as the Russians in the south began to show signs of movement.
Fortunately, these were only signs of retreat from under the Poles' gun range. After seeing the losses, Lev Zubov decided to retreat, withdrawing from the village of Włóczki to the east. This was followed by the other colonels, the latest being in the north due to the difficult terrain for couriers and being pinned down along the tracks. The withdrawal from there succeeded only because of the fire cover of a fresh battalion from the 192nd Regiment. About 12:30 p.m. the first fighting of the day ended, and the area was shrouded in silence. The new infantry company allowed all the exhausted platoons to be relieved and the ammunition supply, which was depleting at a frightening rate, to be replenished.
But this was not the end of the Battle of Terespol.
In turn amongst civilians in Poland all sorts of rumours started to spread, when rapidly trains were stopped to allow transport for the army, telephone network was periodically and locally switched off, especially in border areas. In turn the sudden withdrawal of all passes for the army and the rapid announcement on radio and television about the introduction of food rationing only deepened the aura of fear and confusion.
But not everywhere was so peaceful, in the border town of Terespol on the border with Russia not far from it, the local 23 Chełm WOP detachment since the morning train crash on the bridge over the Bug River led a fierce and desperate defense of the town together with the local Militia station with the Russian Garrison of Brest Fortress.
Unfortunately for the Poles, the event followed the border as marked on the map, and the Brest Fortress was entirely within the territory of the USSR, because the border on this section bounced off the river and passed right under the fortress walls before returning back to the river.
Although the Poles learned about the whole affair much earlier from the Russians, this advantage was not exploited very well and now this negligence avenged on them. Although they sent to help the town one of the two infantry companies kept in reserve for the 23rd Chełm WOP, this was a drop in the ocean of needs.
The garrison of the fortress was huge and well equipped, after all it was one of many in the network of fortresses keeping the conquered Poland in check. Lieutenant General Wlodzimierz Laiming had under his command enough men and solid armaments to win with limited losses against WOP soldiers, helping Militiamen and armed in desperation volunteers from the area.
Above all, it had artillery while its enemies had to rely solely on infantry equipment.
Therefore, when on the island of Usedom the landing of more barges was taking place, in Terespol defenders were having the first clashes with Russian infantry sent for reconnaissance. Although they were a massacre for the Russians, they quickly retreated behind the line of a small river, not wanting to be caught by the Russian artillery.
For the Russians, however, this battle reconnaissance gave a clear picture of the advantage in firepower on the side of the unknown enemy, although Polish inscriptions and the kidnapped inhabitants from the eastern and approaching Terespol Fortress allowed them to know that their opponent were Poles.
Where and why they were here, along with their strange clothes, were interesting questions, but Laiming decided that Terespol should be secured first, and then sought answers. He quickly mobilized his four infantry regiments forming the Reserve Brigade and threw them at the few defenders in the strength of two companies.
The defenders, dispersed in three directions, conducted delaying actions trying to give time to evacuate the inhabitants, which was not easy since they could only put a platoon against each infantry regiment. And it was necessary to defend from three sides and to hold the railroad station at the same time.
Unfortunately the command in Chełm could not send more reinforcements, the second infantry company had to be on standby to have something to throw at the border in other sections.
Well, the border with the former USSR wasn't as urgently and heavily manned as that with Germany and Czechoslovakia, nobody was stupid enough to run away to the heart of darkness, right?
The first sign that the Russians are attacking was the hour-long shelling of Terespol by artillery fire in the Fortress, then when the shelling stopped the Russian infantry moved to the attack, which used the artillery fire as cover for their own preparations.
Then, at 8:00 a.m., the enemy moved to attack in three strikes. Laiming to the firepower of the defenders decided to stretch the Polish defense. From the north along the tracks struck 189th Infantry Regiment going straight to the train station to Terespol, the whole thing was squeezed and hugged along the tracks that went through swamps which defending platoon used to the disadvantage of the Russians.
Using the advantage in firepower he stopped the entire regiment on the tracks and massacred the battalion walking along the tracks within the first 15 minutes of the battle, forcing the Russians to immediately send another in its place. However, Russian Colonel Mikhail Poroshenko sent a second battalion through the swamps south of the tracks in an attempt to flank the Polish platoon.
The latter had more luck, but clashed with a platoon sent by the local militia to cover the town from the swamps, just in case. Fortunately for the Russians, this platoon was less well armed, mainly with old Mosin rifles and submachine guns, so the attack went forward despite noticeable losses.
The commanding officer of the platoon, Civilian Militia Corporal Jan Nowak, therefore quickly asked for support from the commanding officer of the defense, Captain Konrad Dwojak, to send reinforcements. The only thing he could do was to redirect one team from the northern platoon to his position.
This is where the greatest Polish advantage that was evident throughout the battle became apparent, the vehicles. Thanks to cars, the Poles could move a squad or an infantry section from a safe section to a threatened one with unimaginable speed for the Russians.
And so the quickly redeployed team supported the militia platoon, forcing the Russians to retreat deep into the swamps behind the stream.
Meanwhile, in the south, from the second auxiliary strike the Russian attack developed better, the Poles carried out in the strength of half a battalion (that is, two platoons) delaying actions on the previously prepared positions in Terespol retreating under the solid pressure of an entire infantry regiment and a battalion sent from the main strike from the Border Checkpoint west to the city.
Here the Poles retreated with great speed by means of their vehicles, having previously set fire to the GPK in order to prevent important information from falling into the hands of the Russians and to obscure the surroundings with smoke. The first of the two platoons pulled behind them two Russian Battalions, including one from the main line of attack thus helping the defenders in the middle battalion retreated to the line of buildings in the southern part of Terespol.
The second one, pulling the rest of the auxiliary attack behind him, withdrew to a position in Włóczki village and when the Russians began to approach too closely, hid in the woods just to the left of the lake. The fighting continued fiercely, although not without losses on the Polish side, but always at the great expense of the Russians. Both sides fired mercilessly at each other, but unlike the battles in the North, here the Russians were able to advance in a wider formation going through a field. And considering that it was not yet the season for earthworks, these fields were empty, overgrown in some places with meadow. But the most important thing was that both platoons could support each other with fire without the need to move, because from their resistance points the advancing Russians could be seen as if from both sides.
The most fierce and bloody fights took place where the Russian attack fell, i.e. along Ludowy Wojska Polskiego Street, which was the main artery of the city and at the same time led through Wspólna Street to the Brest Fortress.
It was here that most artillery fire fell, turning the eastern district of Terespol into rubble. Polish resistance was based on the Orthodox Church, the cemetery on the other side of the lagoon, the bridge, and a small forest on the north side of the bridge.
The team in Church defended themselves fiercely and courageously, despite the fact that they were on the wrong side of the flood plain as the rest of their Platoon. And all they could get from them was fire support.
Opposite them, two infantry regiments, 191 and 192, went into the attack, with 191 being the first and 192 kept in the perimeter until all regiments thrown into the attack began to report heavy losses. Then the 192nd was broken into battalions and two were sent to assist in the main attack, while one each was sent to the auxiliary.
Of course, Colonel Lev Zubov protested against breaking his unit into single battalions. General Laiming took note of this and ordered him to take command in place of Colonel Bogdan Pronin, a Polish sharpshooter killed by a bullet, commanding the 190th Regiment advancing in the southern strike.
His death broke up the local attack and caused panic among the Russians, who were held back solely by the will of their commander who, in order to encourage his soldiers, appeared among them to continue the advance despite the losses. This was the reason for his death when he visited the platoons occupying the village of Wloczki. Allowing the Polish captain to quickly send the platoon defending the south of the city to the center over the bridge.
The fighting then lasted almost four hours, a large part of the inhabitants had already been evacuated and an infantry company from Chelm, sent by train to help, was unloading at the station. There was no direct connection from Chelm to Terespol or at least to Biala Podlaska so the journey took some time. Fortunately, the MO(Citizen Militia) headquarters in Biala Podlaska sent a solid support allowing to relieve one and a half platoon about an hour and a half from the beginning of the Battle of Terespol.
Only the rapid redeployment of a perhaps tired but additional Platoon from the south allowed the temporary rejection in a sudden and unexpected local counterattack on the Russians who had already taken the church killing all the defenders beforehand.
Unfortunately, the Polish advance only served to drive the Russians from the vicinity of the church and adjacent May Street. As soon as they were forced out of these areas, the Poles immediately retreated behind the lagoon, while South Platoon quickly returned to their old positions as soon as the Russians in the south began to show signs of movement.
Fortunately, these were only signs of retreat from under the Poles' gun range. After seeing the losses, Lev Zubov decided to retreat, withdrawing from the village of Włóczki to the east. This was followed by the other colonels, the latest being in the north due to the difficult terrain for couriers and being pinned down along the tracks. The withdrawal from there succeeded only because of the fire cover of a fresh battalion from the 192nd Regiment. About 12:30 p.m. the first fighting of the day ended, and the area was shrouded in silence. The new infantry company allowed all the exhausted platoons to be relieved and the ammunition supply, which was depleting at a frightening rate, to be replenished.
But this was not the end of the Battle of Terespol.
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About russian in 1914 - they have good french howitzers 122 and 152mm,and 76mm guns.Their infrantry used smart tactic when advancing.
About importance of car - i read memories of polish doctor from Congo during cyvil war - "his" town full of blcks from tribe A and some white was attacked by blacks from tribe B.
Firtunatelly,there were 10 soldiers from tribe C with mortar and 2 LMG.One whie used his truck to carry them to every place where tribe B attacked - and get massacred every time.They were high on drugs,so they do not think about attacking in few places in the same time.
About importance of car - i read memories of polish doctor from Congo during cyvil war - "his" town full of blcks from tribe A and some white was attacked by blacks from tribe B.
Firtunatelly,there were 10 soldiers from tribe C with mortar and 2 LMG.One whie used his truck to carry them to every place where tribe B attacked - and get massacred every time.They were high on drugs,so they do not think about attacking in few places in the same time.
Buba
A total creep
Excellent!
Wouldn't Martial Law (State of War in Polish) be declared?
General Mobilisation called? I know that peacetime LWP was +400K men, but is that enough? Technical superiority is one thing, but "boots on the ground" also are needed.
Heh - my father - Chorąży Rezerwy - could be called up. But as he was pushing 40 at that point, and rather undertrained, that'd not be very likely.
As to MO - simply call it Police - nobody outside of Poland knows that the term militia was missapropriated for that purpose. Use the term Citizen/Civic Militia once, explain that it is Polish Commie Newspeak for Police - and switch to police thereafter.
The MO should have PPS - I don't know how locally these were stored.
The Russians would be supported by the fortress's artillery. Good up to 4-6km - no equipment nor doctrine for firing at longer ranges than that (the same applies to Germans and A-H too).
Wouldn't Martial Law (State of War in Polish) be declared?
General Mobilisation called? I know that peacetime LWP was +400K men, but is that enough? Technical superiority is one thing, but "boots on the ground" also are needed.
Heh - my father - Chorąży Rezerwy - could be called up. But as he was pushing 40 at that point, and rather undertrained, that'd not be very likely.
As to MO - simply call it Police - nobody outside of Poland knows that the term militia was missapropriated for that purpose. Use the term Citizen/Civic Militia once, explain that it is Polish Commie Newspeak for Police - and switch to police thereafter.
The MO should have PPS - I don't know how locally these were stored.
The Russians would be supported by the fortress's artillery. Good up to 4-6km - no equipment nor doctrine for firing at longer ranges than that (the same applies to Germans and A-H too).
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Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
The problem is that this is still the First World War, and it's just the beginning. No army at that time was able to simultaneously support infantry with fire during its attack without the risk of shelling its own forces.
The level of technology is unfortunately too low for the Russians, but yes this is an important and most importantly currently modernized Fortress, so they have a lot of good quality artillery weapons, although ammunition is harder to come by. You know the problem with logistics because you see the ammunition warehouse for the fortress and most importantly the gunpowder was located.... in Terespol. The city itself, by the way, was the bulwark of the Fortress.
Yes they do, the problem is they don't know how to use it against an opponent with as much firepower as the Poles. Already the British were able to create the impression of CKM fire with their Lee-Enliends, and what about the Poles with their AK.
It will, but here it takes time to organize it. It will be announced in Gierek's address to the nation at the end of Day One in a style similar to Jaruzelski's. You know, organizing a state in 81 took some time to prepare, and the whole event is sudden, it takes more than just a few hours to do it, and you still need to communicate why. Jaruzelski also gave a reason for the introduction.
I forgot to add to this version of the chapter (BTW this is the third version) that the 12th Division in Szczecin undergoes mobilization and personnel development. So far, the mobilization of "professional" units has taken place, but the general mobilization will be announced during Gierek's address to the nation.
I use this to simply represent the People's Republic as it was with real formation and unit names. (Well, and I have plans for a possible future.) See my reply above this section. There sits one of my concepts of what Poland will eventually be like.
Rather yes, as long as the weapon works and it's a bit of a let's face it outlier they can have it alongside of course the PM-63 RAK.
Buba
A total creep
I believe the correct military jargon terms to be "regular" or "active" formations.
Like "czynne" in Polish.
CKM = HMG
British self-stroking propaganda repeated so many times that taken for fact. So far nobody ever has produced any German document saying so.
LOL!
For non-Polish readers - Terespol is the town - and once a borough of Brest - which is on the west bank of the River Bug. The post-1945 border - which runs along the Bug River thalweg - cut the city and fortress of Brest in two parts, splitting it between Poland and Belarus SSR.
Thus the ISOT bissected the fortress, making it lose its main ammo warehouse
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Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Well, I take it your father is older than my grandfather? Because my grandfather is currently, if I count right, about 30 years old... I just realized that he might have the opportunity to meet a younger and living version of his father. (He died a decade after the war, which, with his older siblings having left home, made him the sole breadwinner).
He has a chance to meet him because at the time he was serving in the Tsar's army, probably somewhere in the Caucasus since he fought before the war and had a chance to return home as a reward for saving his superior's life. How do I know this? Because during the Russian Civil War, his unit was broken up and he miraculously survived the shooting of kulaks and noblemen from his unit because his hands were too heavy to work the land. Which is kind of funny, because he was both a kułak and came from an old common knight family going back to the 15th century. I know because I checked and searched, and what surprised me was that there were 5 coats of arms attached to my surname.
For non-Polish readers why is this surprising? Simple, because you can see that the total number of old Polish coats of arms is about... 200. Many de facto unrelated families had the same coat of arms, and my surname had 5, what makes me one of the few in Poland who can be proud of such a number.
My father for one has a couple of years in that ISOT. And he also had the misfortune of OTL to end up in the military during communism in the Coastal Missile Defense Force and leave when communism fell.
Well, ammunition shortages, because you know in 1914 there was a big modernization of the Fortress that had been going on for a couple of years. And yes, the accuracy was much better than anything before, but still the risk of accidentally firing one's own was high. Instead, the Russians used it to terrorize civilian residents of Terespol and to shell the Railway Station. And artillery preparation before the attack.
As for range, it's kind of funny that Poland has heavy mortars with a much longer range than any of its opponents have howitzers. And most importantly, in a normal division vs division battle Polish artillery is practically invulnerable to enemy artillery, there is no chance for any counter-battery fire against Polish attacks, and add to that the fact that Polish artillery is entirely motorized makes it move too fast to even consider firing at it.
I know, I used it in my response to ATP because it's faster. Though it makes me wonder if there is an English equivalent of kamem, cekaem or erkamem? Do I need to use these acronyms?
This was not a problem in the Russian plans because they always had time to take it from the powder magazine. Brest is really deep in Russian territory, and now? Well they have limited ammunition because as Buba pointed out Poland's ISOT gutted a chunk of Russia's stockpile and armed forces. The nearest help is only in Minsk.
Buba
A total creep
Maybe some Native Speaker will weight in otherwise, but AFAIK you are stuck with HMG and LMG.
Kovel, Lutsk - there is a group of fortresses in Volhynia. Troops from there can be rapidly brought up to Brest by RR.
Same thing in the north - Grodno, Kovno are fortresses with sizeable garrisons.
No. There is assistance much closer than that - Kovel.
Kovel, Lutsk - there is a group of fortresses in Volhynia. Troops from there can be rapidly brought up to Brest by RR.
Same thing in the north - Grodno, Kovno are fortresses with sizeable garrisons.
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
And people are fans of living in places without electricity grid, running water, terrible insulation and lack of semi-modern medical care coverage (until many hospitals & clinics are created, and this takes TIME, years and years)?
Mass immigration from Kresy can be if course stopped with administrative actions and totalitarian controls, but immigration TO Kresy, especially before decades of building paved roads and electricity grid and hospitals and commie flats (pretty bad but better than 1914-housing)... uh-huuuuuh.
Buba
A total creep
As to ages - Tatuś is from '35.
As to the exodus to the Kresy - I agree, lack of mod cons (modern conveniences) is a let down. However, these are the mid '70s we are talking about.
At this time there are people living without running water at that time, electrification of the whole country is a decade long (if that long), they use horses for farmwork (I've seen that 40km from Warsaw in late '70s) hence there would be potential candidates for moving to the Kresy for whom the primitivism of 1914 would not be that unsettling. Not the norm, mind you, but still encountered.
Ten years later it would be quite different.
Even so I know a bloke who, when commanding a platoon as part of his Reserve Officer training in 1980, had Privates for whom the trip to their unit had been the first time they had left their parish (and first trip by train).
As to the immigration from Kresy - this brings in workers. With planned economy's inefficiency and abysmal productivity workers were bused from villages 200km away to factories.
As to the exodus to the Kresy - I agree, lack of mod cons (modern conveniences) is a let down. However, these are the mid '70s we are talking about.
At this time there are people living without running water at that time, electrification of the whole country is a decade long (if that long), they use horses for farmwork (I've seen that 40km from Warsaw in late '70s) hence there would be potential candidates for moving to the Kresy for whom the primitivism of 1914 would not be that unsettling. Not the norm, mind you, but still encountered.
Ten years later it would be quite different.
Even so I know a bloke who, when commanding a platoon as part of his Reserve Officer training in 1980, had Privates for whom the trip to their unit had been the first time they had left their parish (and first trip by train).
As to the immigration from Kresy - this brings in workers. With planned economy's inefficiency and abysmal productivity workers were bused from villages 200km away to factories.
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Agree on that.According to my parents,who was send to work in countryside,Horses was still used,and lack of electrity and good roads was norm.
P.S about coat of arm - my parental family have one,but there was one problem - according to family legend,ancestor was nobited for breaking through 2 lines of Jadzwings .Problem is - it supposed to happen in 1488,90 years after teutonic knights genocided them.
Most likely,they buyed it.
@Batrix2070 ,you mentioned Wędrowycz in first chapter.He was degenerate,but also kind of supenatural specialists,who manage to kill vampires,werewolwes,and even zombie Lenin.
Do you plan to add those supernatural creatures here,too?
Do you plan to add those supernatural creatures here,too?
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
I mean, it's not like Kresy is exactly free real estate. I would even say that villages are greatly overpopulated.
Of course Kresy CAN sustain much higher population, but after years and years of URBANISATION. Not simply by throwing new people into farmland, that's truly not this sort of situation IMHO. Russian Empire, polish/ukrainian parts included, had poor as hell peasants, too small/underdeveloped cities.
By the way: 1970s-era polish communists are veeery likely to take land from aristocrats, but are very unlikely to kill them. Ironically many may experience lives much longer than otl xd
Even the most hardline OTL polish stalinism during late 40s and early 50s had no time to be as terrible as Soviet one. My grandmother told me that former owner of the village mansion and estate was allowed to work as engineer for the quarry nearby. He lost land and home and servants obviously, rented accommodation, died from obesity and alcoholism I believe.
Of course Kresy CAN sustain much higher population, but after years and years of URBANISATION. Not simply by throwing new people into farmland, that's truly not this sort of situation IMHO. Russian Empire, polish/ukrainian parts included, had poor as hell peasants, too small/underdeveloped cities.
By the way: 1970s-era polish communists are veeery likely to take land from aristocrats, but are very unlikely to kill them. Ironically many may experience lives much longer than otl xd
Even the most hardline OTL polish stalinism during late 40s and early 50s had no time to be as terrible as Soviet one. My grandmother told me that former owner of the village mansion and estate was allowed to work as engineer for the quarry nearby. He lost land and home and servants obviously, rented accommodation, died from obesity and alcoholism I believe.
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