Philosophy What use is the Black Pill?

[Lord Sovereign]

Throughout all of human history, I don’t think there has ever been any tactical advantage to be discerned from demoralising one’s own troops. Yet what else is the Black Pill but demoralisation on a massive scale?

Some say it is merely a realistic assessment of the situation, yet the logic would dictate that the Moon can’t be reached, would’ve told Hannibal that the Alps could not be crossed, or Alexander that Persia cannot be overcome.

How many times has the impossible become possible down the centuries? How many armies have achieved the unthinkable because their generals did not succumb to doubt or fear. Fortune has always favoured the bold, after all.

Despair meanwhile cannot build. The only thing it can do is destroy. What use is it?

 

[Simonbob]

What use is it?

Honestly?

It can get you to leave. It can get you to stop throwing good money after bad.


It can get you to cut your losses, and thereby redirect to something that might work better.

 

[ATP]

Throughout all of human history, I don’t think there has ever been any tactical advantage to be discerned from demoralising one’s own troops. Yet what else is the Black Pill but demoralisation on a massive scale?

Some say it is merely a realistic assessment of the situation, yet the logic would dictate that the Moon can’t be reached, would’ve told Hannibal that the Alps could not be crossed, or Alexander that Persia cannot be overcome.

How many times has the impossible become possible down the centuries? How many armies have achieved the unthinkable because their generals did not succumb to doubt or fear. Fortune has always favoured the bold, after all.

Despair meanwhile cannot build. The only thing it can do is destroy. What use is it?

You have a point,good Sir.

Honestly?

It can get you to leave. It can get you to stop throwing good money after bad.


It can get you to cut your losses, and thereby redirect to something that might work better.

You also have a point.

Basically - blackpilling in noble causes which could not win is good,in all other causes - bad.

And,even in situation without hope blackpilling still could lead to fight - for example :
we are in green gulag,nobody would save us,but we die working for monsters - so,let fight and die fighting.

 

[Stargazer]

The "black pill" is the logical conclusion of godless, libertarian self-centeredness. A kind of nihilism. It's poison.

 

[ShieldWife]

Is black pilling good or bad?

Well, is the truth good? I would say yes, the truth is better than falsehood. Concealing unpleasant truths because it might make people sad can cause all kinds of harms.

So we shouldn’t think about claims being black pill or white pill, but being true or false. You can know about really bad problems and still strive to fix those problems.

For many years conservatives have had false optimism - they haven’t realized the degree to which leftists have control over our society, institutions, and government. Realizing the extent of the problem is necessary to fixing the problem.

 

[Bacle]

Throughout all of human history, I don’t think there has ever been any tactical advantage to be discerned from demoralising one’s own troops. Yet what else is the Black Pill but demoralisation on a massive scale?

Some say it is merely a realistic assessment of the situation, yet the logic would dictate that the Moon can’t be reached, would’ve told Hannibal that the Alps could not be crossed, or Alexander that Persia cannot be overcome.

How many times has the impossible become possible down the centuries? How many armies have achieved the unthinkable because their generals did not succumb to doubt or fear. Fortune has always favoured the bold, after all.

Despair meanwhile cannot build. The only thing it can do is destroy. What use is it?

Well, first off, civies aren't soldiers, so the context you are starting from is flawed. Same with treating the SAS motto as applicable to all situations; fortune can favor the bold, but the fortune can also kill them very fast if they make a mistake or error or overestimate themselves. Overestimating themselves seems to be a continuous thing on the Right, and continuous letdowns and false hopes take a toll.

Second, what you describe are mostly engineering or logistical challenges, which is not the same as dealing with the modern social issues that 'demoralize' people.

People get 'blackpilled' mostly because they are often being sold false hopes, and overly optimistic assumptions, by people both in the establishment and on the fringe.

 

[ATP]

Is black pilling good or bad?

Well, is the truth good? I would say yes, the truth is better than falsehood. Concealing unpleasant truths because it might make people sad can cause all kinds of harms.

So we shouldn’t think about claims being black pill or white pill, but being true or false. You can know about really bad problems and still strive to fix those problems.

For many years conservatives have had false optimism - they haven’t realized the degree to which leftists have control over our society, institutions, and government. Realizing the extent of the problem is necessary to fixing the problem.

You nailed it.We must face reality,no matter how bad it is,and made our plans on it.

 

[Stargazer]

Is black pilling good or bad?

Well, is the truth good? I would say yes, the truth is better than falsehood. Concealing unpleasant truths because it might make people sad can cause all kinds of harms.

So we shouldn’t think about claims being black pill or white pill, but being true or false. You can know about really bad problems and still strive to fix those problems.

For many years conservatives have had false optimism - they haven’t realized the degree to which leftists have control over our society, institutions, and government. Realizing the extent of the problem is necessary to fixing the problem.

If it's just about truth, that's the idea that's (supposed to be) behind redpill. Truths that go against commonly held ideas in the culture. Ie, the truth that our modern society and legal system in Western countries is biased against men and in favor of women in a lot of ways.

Blackpill goes beyond that. It points out problems, then takes a nihilistic, defeatist approach about them. They don't them the problem can be fixed, so why try? You're short and don't make a lot of money? You're never going to attract women, there's no point in doing things like improving your social skills, fitness, etc. You want to get married and have kids? Most marriages end in divorce and the men get screwed over with custody and child support, it's a bad deal for men.

The "red pill" label has been hijacked by commenters who are really black pill in a lot of ways.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

;\ Blackpill is a somewhat useless term because it includes anything from objective falsehoods to objective facts. At least most people can agree that redpills can be described as 'finding out information you otherwise would never have been able to access'. It's a device to get out of the matrix after all.

Blackpill? "Trump is going to win!" can be the biggest blackpill or the biggest redpill depending on who you ask, it's not a term I am a fan of because often-times it comes across as a synonym of putting your fingers in your ears over inconvenient realities.

 

[Bassoe]

Use? It's not about usefulness but accuracy. A realistic assessment of the situation stating that you're screwed is better than an inaccurate but optimistic one since it's closer to reality.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Use? It's not about usefulness but accuracy. A realistic assessment of the situation stating that you're screwed is better than an inaccurate but optimistic one since it's closer to reality.

Shhh, you're spreading blackpills, and that's not okay! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Cherico]

In order to fix a bad situation you have to take honest stock of just how bad things are.

Like any problem the first step to fixing it is admitting you have a problem and then figuring out the scale of said problem. This is always daunting of course and depression is a stage you have to go through. But what faces us isn't impossible odds its a long slong a painful one but I honestly think with generations of hard work we can see this all through and give our grandchildren a better world then we were given.

 

[LordsFire]

'Taking the Black Pill' by every definition I've seen, involves some level of despair.

By such definitions, it is worse than useless, it's outright destructive. There's enough discouragement out there without accepting the idea that defeat is inevitable and giving up; surrender is the one way you can guarantee defeat.

I've seen a more minor use as 'black pill news' meaning 'this is discouraging news,' which makes sense, because there's a lot of discouragement out there.

There's never any excuse for giving up on humanity as a whole though. To do so is to become part of the problem yourself.

 

[ATP]

'Taking the Black Pill' by every definition I've seen, involves some level of despair.

By such definitions, it is worse than useless, it's outright destructive. There's enough discouragement out there without accepting the idea that defeat is inevitable and giving up; surrender is the one way you can guarantee defeat.

I've seen a more minor use as 'black pill news' meaning 'this is discouraging news,' which makes sense, because there's a lot of discouragement out there.

There's never any excuse for giving up on humanity as a whole though. To do so is to become part of the problem yourself.

Yep,as long as you still fight it is OK.For example,last polish partisants still fought when there was 100 soviets on one.