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Election 2020 What are the long term ramifications for a Trump loss?

Jormungandr

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The awesome guy who wrote Cyberpunk said it best (see my signature). If Biden wins, America is going to collapse in on itself very quickly.

Communists do not tolerate other communists that aren't of their ilk. The Democrats will turn on AntiFa (well, they're more fascist than communist), BLM (Marxists), and all the "Feminism" groups faster than a gambler's $100.00 vanishing in a casino.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Those private guns won't stop 'social credit' angles where they deplatform Trump supporters from every part of society piece by piece, denying them banking, jobs, and eventually basic things like medical care.

No but smoking craters where the corporate HQ of.major banks, dead Judges and prosecutors impaled in front of their own homes will.

Thats what happened in Argentina when the left pushed the right too far and it'll happen here on a scale unfathomable.

Make no mistake, even you rinos won't suffer that nonsense for long before you guys decide to stop slandering the rest of the right and join up. Those who don't join up? Well they'll just be designated collaborators and dealt with when the far fight takes over.

Which it will in a scenario like that.

And honestly? If we fuck up this election we deserve a Pinochet.
 
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Battlegrinder

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It'll be a massive mess, for sure, but I think a lot of people are going for a worst case scenario, or an outright fantastical one (I'd encourage people to look up what the left thought would happen if Trump wins, compared to what actually happened).

Yes, elements of the left will likely go utterly berserk trying to "make sure there's never another Trump" and try to take revenge for being thwarted in 2016. Keyword "elements". Major democrat lawmakers are not even 100% onboard with court packing, and that's an idea that is at the very least legal and on paper (if not in practice) an entirely legitimate use of congressional and governmental power. And multiple senators and representatives have already publicly refuted that plan and refused to go along with it. If they can't even get people onboard with that, it's absurd to believe the government will be able to pull off some mass purge of political dissidents.

"Ah," you say, "but that's only what the government will do, you're ignoring antifa and BLM and so on". Put bluntly, you're clearly buying into those group's own claims of how tough and capable they really are. If they actually had anywhere near the numbers needed to pull of that kind of assault, they'd have done it by now. There is, at best, a tiny lunatic fringe (within the larger, but still tiny lunatic fringe) that actually believes any of their ultra violent rhetoric, most likely a scarce handful. If that wasn't the case, then someone would have actually acted on it. And I don't mean "acted illegally in a heat of the moment confrontation because they're long on aggression and short on brain cells", I mean "gotten a bunch of dudes together and shot up a conservative protest group" or something similar (the same applies regarding left wing fears of the right wing militia groups that they've been freaking out over since the 90s). There's a strong possibility of escalating violence between militant left and right wing groups, and I'll be surprised if there isn't a major firefight between the two groups at some point in the next couple years, but I doubt they'll become something the average right wing american needs to concern themselves with. Ditto for attempts to drive anyone pro-trump out of a job.

That's not to say it's smooth sailing, they'll probably try something (I'd suggest gun control, but a major anti-police bill is more likely their first move), but it's not going to be as bad as you guys are suggesting.

As for specific questions in the OP:

How does this loss shake up right wing politics and mean for the party between now and 2024? and furthermore with Trump probably permanently given his age who will take up the mantle of the face of the party in the near future?

I don't think it means much for right wing politics, actually. Trump has generally be a conventional-ish republican in office, all attempts by the media to hype up every single misstep and problem as "the greatest threat to American democracy since FDR tried to...uh, do a thing that's totally fine and a legitimate use of power", I don't think there's any of his policies the average swing voter would view as being utterly disagreeable, outside of his poor handling of the wuhan flu (which, with a few years of hindsight and distance, will also not be nearly as bad as it's being made out to be right now). If Trump loses, it's because people are not enamored with Trump as a person, his personality, habits, etc, rather than his policy (and also because of our traitorous media class).

As for his replacement....could be any one of a number of people. Cruz, Rubio, or Pence are IMO the likely front runners, but the GOP has a lot of entirely respectable people with national appeal that could easily take over, particularly if the Biden-Harris admin turns out to be as ugly as is feared (as in how it's feared by, like, reasonable people on the right, not by you lot). There's a non-zero but still low it could even be someone like Romney.
 

JagerIV

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Yeah, there does seem to be a a bit of you claiming they won't do things their already doing in your post.

The line of the mainstream elite is that they want to make sure a Trump never happens again. Twitter and the rest of Silicon valley are aggressively changing the rules and manipulating things with that goal in mind. Obama already used the tax system and regulatory authority to go after political enemies and try to purge unwanted buisnesses like gun shops.

The fact that BLM doesn't generally need to kill anyone is a sign of Strength, not weakness. A white supremicist is likely getting much the same punishment for beating up a black man as killing him, so if he wants to resort to violence, because white supremicists are in such a weak legal footing, if they decide to use violence, theres no reason not to jump straight to the most extreme violence. Meanwhile, a BLM group can swarm someone, yell in their face, push them arround, and nothing will happen to them, while the person assulted is often completely cowed, because if they did push back they would be treated as a white supremicist.

So, BLM is able to use vast amounts of low level violence in a systematic, and thus effective, way: a crowd standing around a "bad" church and shouting and shoving anyone who trys to enter it for a week, or a month, is a far more effective intimidation tactic, both in effect and relative cost, than a random person shooting up that church one day before being promptly killed. The first tactic probably either kills the church or forces it to change, and afterwards you still have a crowd of activists to move on to the next target. The secound tactic probably doesn't actually change the church much, and certainly doesn't force the church to change in ways the shooter wants them to, and after a very terrifying hour for people in that one building, you have no more assets to terrorize the next target.
 

Yinko

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Trouble is, the conservatives at this point (or at least those not voting Biden right now) are approximately 50% of the public. Trying to crush, recondition or remove that entire group would lead to complete social collapse.

What seems most likely to me is that the legitmacy of the federal government becomes permanently tainted by the exchange of the Trump (hated by libs) for Biden (hated by cons). Such a state would likely result in growing pressure for localized autonony at either the state or local levels as people pushed for policies that went contrary to the mandates of the centralized state.
 
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CarlManvers2019

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Trouble is, the conservatives at this point (or at least those not voting Biden right now) is approximately 50% of the public. Trying to crush, recondition or remove that entire group would lead to complete social collapse.

What seems most likely to me is that the legitmacy of the federal government becomes permanently tainted by the exchange of the Trump (hated by libs) for Biden (hated by cons). Such a state would likely result in growing pressure for localized authonony at either the state or local levels as people pushed for policies that went contrary to the mandates of the centralized state.

Maybe less “Conservatives” and more a combination of Liberals, AnCaps, Libertarians, Social Conservatives, Economic Conservatives, Centrists, ACTUAL Moderate Democrats/Leftists, Monarchists and maybe even some legit Communists/Socialists(of the non-SJW corporatist type)all voting Trump because they see him as a much lesser evil or actually likeable

All whilst being even of various religions, various ethnic groups and sexual and gender preferences and guys who enjoy punk
 

JagerIV

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Trouble is, the conservatives at this point (or at least those not voting Biden right now) are approximately 50% of the public. Trying to crush, recondition or remove that entire group would lead to complete social collapse.

What seems most likely to me is that the legitmacy of the federal government becomes permanently tainted by the exchange of the Trump (hated by libs) for Biden (hated by cons). Such a state would likely result in growing pressure for localized autonony at either the state or local levels as people pushed for policies that went contrary to the mandates of the centralized state.

On the other hand, we have great Britain where the conservative party is to the left of the labor voter.

Thats close to what the case was with rino Republican days and why so many conservatives hated the Republican party. A return to that, where the most conservative politician allowed to run for national office is a mit Romney or george bush, seems very achievable.
 

ATP

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Roman Republic fall.Polish Kingdom from 1569 was de facto Republic- and falled,too.USA could keep Constitution and survive,or not and not survive.
And becouse world after fall of all mentioned Republics still existed,it would be existing till our Lord decide to end it.

From polish perspective - Biden said,that Poland and Hungary are totalitarian regimes like Belarussia.Idiot.If Belorussia was totalitarian,people would not march against goverment,but sing songs for it,just like in North Korea.

But - if he wins, USA would toss us to Germany.What then ? Russia is out of question,but our only chance would be become China vassals.
 

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