Election 2020 What are the long term ramifications for a Trump loss?

[Free-Stater 101]

This is a serious question not a doom one, so please go to the appropriate thread for that.

In any case, every time this question is bought up elsewhere it devolves into the left shouting that Trump losing means the 'death' of conservatism.

The legitimate question remains though, although the serious answer is rarely debated..."If Trump loses the 2020 election, what does that mean for the Republican Party in the long term?" How does this loss shake up right wing politics and mean for the party between now and 2024? and furthermore with Trump probably permanently given his age who will take up the mantle of the face of the party in the near future?

Please keep in mind this isn't defeatism, merely an honest question that I would love to ask some actual right wing people about, rather than some left wing ones, who response is the ever thoughtful. "collapse of conservatism" because we all know that, that isn't happening right away even if it were to happen...

 

[Bacle]

It's simple; our Republic dies.

Trump's supporters get purged via either force or 'social credit' techniques and the Dems destroy any Constitutional barrier that impedes their Far-Left agenda.

This isn't me being a doomer, this is what the Dems have signalled they would do if Trump loses.

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

It's simple; our Republic dies.

Trump's supporters get purged via either force or 'social credit' techniques and the Dems destroy any Constitutional barrier that impedes their Far-Left agenda.

This isn't me being a doomer, this is what the Dems have signalled they would do if Trump loses.

The left will certainly try that, whether they succeed is another matter.

There are still a whole lot of privately owned guns in this country. It's possible that we may get a civil war instead.

 

[Bacle]

The left will certainly try that, whether they succeed is another matter.

There are still a whole lot of privately owned guns in this country. It's possible that we may get a civil war instead.

Those private guns won't stop 'social credit' angles where they deplatform Trump supporters from every part of society piece by piece, denying them banking, jobs, and eventually basic things like medical care.

And that's if they don't simply cook-up charges against any Trump supporter they can, or just give their addresses to BLM and Antifa while looking the other way and telling cops to stand down.

Any 'civil war' of the conventional type will only be possible if large portions of the military refuse to follow the commands of Biden and whoever he sticks in the Pentagon.

 

[Cherico]

Original sixth probally would have the best anser.

That said in my opinion.

The democratic party is very very sick. If they get the presidency their left with a president who's tainted with a worse scandal then water gate, and a VP with very little charisma who is incredibly hatable. Then on top of that they have to devide the spoils and guess what their coalition agrees on very little.

It gets worse in 2022 the boomers start retiring in mass, and the era of easy credit goes away forever.

 

[Duke Nukem]

God help us if Trump loses.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Absolute fucking revenge. All the stops to ensure there's no more second Trumpsters.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Absolute fucking revenge. All the stops to ensure there's no more second Trumpsters.

It will be in multiple fields, even entertainment media

From what I know currently speaking the guys who write for Dragonlance are currently having problems with Wizard of The Coast involving the latter wanting to force diversity quotas into it and breaking previous writing and writing plans

If Trump loses, there will be an emboldening of sorts, The Man will feel like he’s gotten a win over “The Man” and shut down “authoritarianism” more often even if it’s blatantly against contracts or blatantly illegal and using baseless threats

Expect for things like homeschooling to be more likely to be banned and efforts to get in as many illegals in the hopes they become voting-slaves

They will try to essentially destroy as much old media or alternative media as they can

 

[Deleted member 88]

"Truth and Reconciliation Commission"-meaning the persecution and vengeful pursuit of everyone who supported the President.

Known trump supporters will likely be driven from any role in public life, their addresses, and families given to BLM and Antifa, the only thing that might protect you is if you say were a conservative columnist-but then no bank account, no loans, no nothing.

Absolutely the Dems will try and pack the courts, add Puerto Rico and or DC as states.

The Republican party will like as not disavow Trump to save itself, though anyone who isn't maybe Mitt Romney will be attacked viciously. The party will hemorrhage members-I could see some Republicans simply deciding to retire and become lobbyists early. Mcconnell and the boys at the Federalist society will do their best to stem the tide, though Mcconnell will likely want to retire, and avoid more reprisals for his association with Trump.

At the same time, the media and our institutions will proclaim unity, and healing, that the American people rejected racism and White supremacy, that we're all on team Dem and Team Progressive.

Right wing media will likely be blacklisted as disinformation, and anyone who is known to frequent say the Federalist or even say the Daily Caller will be catalogued in some Google Database. Such information can and will be used to deny you a loan, entry into college, or to get a job-though it will be done in an arbitrary and opaque way.

A climate of intimidation will prevail, and a lot of people who supported the president will probably prostrate themselves and beg to be allowed back into respectable civil society. If only for their own comfort and that of their children.

Trump himself will be prosecuted, as well leading members of his administration, people like Tucker Carlson and any other right wing leading public figures-will be put under enormous pressure, or rather Fox will to capitulate and become CNN lite. To fire them. If Fox itself is even allowed to survive, it will be milquetoast Chris Wallace style C-SPAN shit.

Facebook and Twitter will likely be used to scour for Trump's regular supporters-who will be subjected to social credit reprisals, if not physical violence.

Probable imposition of hate speech laws, which will simply ignore SC rulings otherwise-or be gone around through executive orders and court packing. The second amendment will likely not be repealed on day one-but gun and ammo manufacturers will be unable to get loans, sell online, and otherwise will be squeezed into nothing.

Texas will turn blue by 2024, and we'll be fucked.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

"Truth and Reconciliation Commission"-meaning the persecution and vengeful pursuit of everyone who supported the President.

And time to ban all those “Memetic Weaponry” Aaron Fox kept talking about to “protect free speech”

All while saying they’re not partisan and are actually “Centrist” or even make use of the RINOs to pretend to be ideologically diverse

 

[LordsFire]

That depends on if the people pulling Biden's strings are content to continue slowly boiling the frog, or go for maximum power grab as soon as possible.

If they go slow, 2022 and 2024 will determine if the Republic survives.

If they go fast, we'll see things spiral out of control into civil war. When people openly talking about trying and imprisoning their political enemies get into power, it's only going to end in violence.

It's kind of shocking how fast things change in the information age. In 2000, Google was a non-entity. By 2005, it was the search engine. In 2010, it was more or less the nexus of the internet. In 2015, it was the platform (as it owns Youtube) that basically everybody in the world with internet access either watched or put content up on.

And now it's 2020, and it's thrown all of that away, to try to play Big Brother.

Lord Invictus is a doomer, but what he's talking about aren't fears from nowhere. Google already helped China set up their social credit system, and they'd love to try to shape society here in America too. Things could get pretty bloody dystopian pretty quick, and then the violence will break out openly.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Regarding vengeance, and reprisals-I'm not making that shit up, leading Democrats including Kamala Harris have openly discussed it.

That depends on if the people pulling Biden's strings are content to continue slowly boiling the frog, or go for maximum power grab as soon as possible.

They'll probably aim to prevent any opposition forming slowly and methodically first, then go all in once they smell blood. Banning guns and decreeing all trump supporters outlaws to be killed on site would force even the laziest conservatives to fight.

 

[Cherico]

Regarding vengeance, and reprisals-I'm not making that shit up, leading Democrats including Kamala Harris have openly discussed it.

The first two years will suck and be terrible but once again the democratic party is a complete mess and the infighting will start corperate democrats, socialists, SJWs, greens, whats left of the unions and a host of people who just don't get fucking along. Their already turning on each other now, its going to get worse not better and in 2022 the easy money runs out.

The boomers retire in mass and you got to figure out how to get a post boomer economy going and that will not be easy or fun.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Leftists have openly talked about putting their enemies into camps to re-educate them. These are the same people that love bringing up the Holocaust and the Japanese internment camps of the US.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Leftists have openly talked about putting their enemies into camps to re-educate them. These are the same people that can't love bringing up the Holocaust and the Japanese internment camps of the US.

All while they keep saying all of those "right wingers" are a bunch of incel conspiracy theorists

They seem to live in another reality entirely

 

[JagerIV]

Yeah, they will literally push for a truth and reconciliation comittee to purge everyone out.

The first two years will suck and be terrible but once again the democratic party is a complete mess and the infighting will start corperate democrats, socialists, SJWs, greens, whats left of the unions and a host of people who just don't get fucking along. Their already turning on each other now, its going to get worse not better and in 2022 the easy money runs out.

The boomers retire in mass and you got to figure out how to get a post boomer economy going and that will not be easy or fun.

Unfortunately, the fragileness of the coalition, if it is fragile, just ups the need to be super draconian: if you run out of carrots, then you need the stick. Like all communists, they're going to eventually need the secret police in place to keep the revolutionaries on message with the party.

If they can get things set up so your with us or against us, and being against us means we try to take everything from you, and with us means you get at least some crumbs, and many people will get quite a bit more, well, the smart choice is pretty obvious isn't it?

A lot of society is very top down in these kinds of things: effective resistance requires a rogue elite to fight the current dominating elite. Trump, as a rogue elite, was able to acomplish more than 10s of millions of republicans.

That's part of the scary thing: they don't need to purge the 40% of the country who opposes them strongly at this point to end meaningful resistance. They have to purge, say the 30% of the 0.1% elite who oppose them. And that elite of the 0.1% is only about 300,000 people, maybe 100,000 families? So, purging any source of right wing resistance from the elite is going after, what, 10,000 families? On the corporate side, theres, what, 500 companies that mater, maybe a 100 of them have some right wing sympathies?

That is very doable in fairly short amounts of time if their willing to push. And there's a lot of democrats who are very willing to push.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Yep, without elite leadership they’ll crush any disorganized right wing resistance and crush it fairly quickly.

 

[Arch Dornan]

That's part of the scary thing: they don't need to purge the 40% of the country who opposes them strongly at this point to end meaningful resistance. They have to purge, say the 30% of the 0.1% elite who oppose them. And that elite of the 0.1% is only about 300,000 people, maybe 100,000 families? So, purging any source of right wing resistance from the elite is going after, what, 10,000 families? On the corporate side, theres, what, 500 companies that mater, maybe a 100 of them have some right wing sympathies?

That feels familiar. Elite purging of opposing elites.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

I think you all are discounting the possibility of Biden and Harris dropping the ball hard, as well as the GOP sacking up.

 

[JagerIV]

I mean, if nothing else the democrats rarely seem particularly squeamish in pushing their platform. They pushed through obamacare through immense popular opposition. Meanwhile, rupublicans have utterly failed to repeal an objectively bad law.

Democrsts ramming through their agenda while Republicans spinelessly wafle is the safe bet.