Winston Bush
Well-known member
My own 2 cents. I like Medieval European Philosophers over Early Modern and Classical Philosophers.
History What are some of your most contraversial takes on history?
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Excuse me? Asian cultures as a whole have "frequently" built genocide camps "more efficient" than the Nazi gas chambers?
Care to provide actual evidence for this extraordinary claim?
I think its an extrodinary claim too but the Uighurs situation looks an awful lot like ethnic cleansing at the very least and depending on if the UK lawyers are right might just qualify as a genocide currently in action. Its hard to tell because china is not an open society but we have seen the camps from space and its looking like that might be the case.
As for the rest of the claim that east asia frequently has genocide camps from a historical perspective I find that kind of dubious. The chinese government could be incredilby burtal during various dynastys but they tended to be squash any one who becomes a problem more then kill every one from ethnic group A or B.
Basileus_Komnenos
Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
I mean there's more too it than this. Christianity was a missionary religion and it was particularly effective in appealing to various social classes. With some of its structure it also in some ways helped to bridge the divide between social classes as everyone was equal under the eyes of God. Thus in religious ceremonies there would be more interactions between those of different social statuses.
Many early Christians also worked to operate hospitals by tending to the sick and poor which was probably why during periods of crisis and peace it spread quite rapidly despite the various attempts of Roman governments to try and stamp it out. The fact that the peaceful Christians were being targeted probably did more to increase its popularity and public profile.
In terms of Paganism, the gods in the Greco-Roman Pantheon quite duplicitous and capricious. They in essence reflected a lot of the flaws seen in regular humans. Then along came Christianity with its more 'just' God which won over many of the Roman plebs and the urban poor who particularly struggled during periods like the Crisis of the Third Century when the old socio-political framework was falling apart.
The 14th and 19th amendments giving the franchise to all freedman and all women and expanding everyone's voting rights in general was a mistake.
The franchise should always be exclusive and paid for by blood and toil...irrespective of race, gender and religion. All should have to earn it not be conferred it.
The franchise should always be exclusive and paid for by blood and toil...irrespective of race, gender and religion. All should have to earn it not be conferred it.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Service guarantees citizenship!
It does actually. Three years in the US armed forces makes you a citizen
Not automatically, however. At least one year of honorable peacetime service in the Armed Forces makes you eligible to apply for expedited naturalization with several criteria waived, but you still have to pass the English and civics test requirements, as well as the five year "good moral character" requirement.
Source: United States Citizen and Immigration Services
Three years is automatic iirc. One year just makes you have an easier time.
I literally went to basic with at least 4 maybe 5 people doing it to be citizens
I don't think you're recalling correctly, since I literally looked up and cited the official federal government policy pages.
A three year requirement is mentioned in several unofficial sources, but not any official or up-to-date-ones. As far as I can tell, three years was the peacetime residency requirement for expedited naturalization, but this has been waived since 2001 under the wartime exemption.
That is what the Recruiters that had recuited them said, hell even thier Paperwork said that. so IDK
if your willing to fight and die for my country I'm willing to call you a fellow american.
Agreed, and they generally seem eager to do it
almostinsane
Well-known member
The Crusades were a moral good, and I only wish there was more of an effort to conquer Egypt.
Vatican II was a valid council, but its vague wording and implementation has done untold damage to the Catholic Church and the world.
The US should never have provided any aid to the Soviet Union. The best case scenario would have been the Soviet government collapsing from the the stress of the invasion or their military being too weakened to assert themselves after the Nazis lost.
Vatican II was a valid council, but its vague wording and implementation has done untold damage to the Catholic Church and the world.
The US should never have provided any aid to the Soviet Union. The best case scenario would have been the Soviet government collapsing from the the stress of the invasion or their military being too weakened to assert themselves after the Nazis lost.
Agree with a good bit of what you say although according to some sources I've come across the early Christians weren't always that peaceful. Have read some descriptions that a lot of the persecution - other than periods when a few emperors specifically targeted the group - was often the cases that zealots looking for the status of martyrdom were deliberately going out of their way to disrupt pagan services and things like that. Plus of course when they gained power they were often repressive themselves, both to non-Christians and those who had a different doctrine than themselves. However agree that they did do a lot of social and charitable work, which seems to have died out in the pagan culture and hence gained a lot of support, especially in times like the 3rd century crisis.
In terms of gods the older gods were more normal human in having the sort of faults and flaws that many people have. However the Christian god isn't exactly a paragon of virtue, at least in the old testament version with incitements to mass murder, rape, enslavement etc as well as his direct actions which were often brutal not to say murderous. Jesus did moderate this a lot but for much of its history the sort of intolerance and brutality displayed in the old testament is at least as dominant as the teachings of the new one. Especially among those in positions of power.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
The French Revolution ultimately left the country worse off than it was beforehand, and gave their culture scars that still haven't healed. It was a terrible thing that should have never happened, and while the people were somewhat justified in doing it (as the country had been mismanaged into bankruptcy for decades to that point), the righteousness of their cause was undermined by the fact that they had been complicit in sabotaging various peaceful attempts that had been made over the years to fix things, due to ease with which they could be manipulated by those simply trying to act in their own self-interest at the expense of the country as a whole (which also neatly describes the relationship between the people and the leaders of the revolution).
Doomsought
Well-known member
As I have said before, the French Revolution was the sort of event that made a supervilain attempting to take over the world look like the one sane man in the room.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Yeah, I’m not for this at all. This is how we get an Arminius or worse.
I mean,
Officers are nit as easy to be foreign for, and they are often enlisted..
They are also not trusted with anything without being heavily looked through.
Someone who is from an enemy nation or a not super close nation, they are not able to get any high clearance in the military.
And generally it is the locals we work with thatvetray us.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Half right. It was the sort of event that made the second coming of Caesar look like the one sane man in the room.
Vive l'Empereur!
On that tangent, after the cataclysm of the French Revolution, Napoleon Bonaparte was one of the best things that ever happened to France. Absolute goddamn chad who wins more battles than Alexander and Hannibal put together, yet also turns out to be really good at civil administration.