History What are some of your most contraversial takes on history?

[Abhishekm]

The British Empire was the best thing to happen to the Indian subcontinent and Africa.

Eh, sorta? Bit of a overstayed their welcome thing. My hot take is India should have pulled a US pre 20th century instead of a Gandhi. Almost definetly dumb but thats my opinion.

Also voting for Gandhi's and Nehru's after the first ones was begging to pull a Bush, Roosvelt and Kennedy.

 

[Buba]

I suspect that The Balfour Declaration was a mistake, a major factor in the Middle East being the shithole it is today. And a major cause in the rise of radical Islam.
Or maybe I am buying into pro-Arab propaganda ...

 

[Cherico]

I suspect that The Balfour Declaration was a mistake, a major factor in the Middle East being the shithole it is today. And a major cause in the rise of radical Islam.
Or maybe I am buying into pro-Arab propaganda ...

No the middle east would still be shit hole even with out it.

A lack of arable land, the fact that the ottomans had shit insitutions for centuries, and a multi ethnic empire collasping into various nations with pretty much every ethnic group that isnt Arab either racing to establish their own zone of control or live under a Arab boot which would turn out to be worse then living under a turkish one.

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

My hot take is India should have pulled a US pre 20th century instead of a Gandhi. Almost definetly dumb but thats my opinion.

I mean, they did, except they ended up failing time and time again, to a company most of the time.

Eh, sorta? Bit of a overstayed their welcome thing.

Not really a sorta, we, and by extension other colonial powers are -the- reason some of these areas actually have developed industry in them whatsoever, remember, despite existing for a long time, a few meagre shipments of Portuguese and Ottoman guns were all that was needed to completely upset the West African, Ethiopian-ish region power structure back in the 1600's. Then there's the fact the Indian nation is little more than a continuation of the British Raj, if we hadn't come there wouldn't be an India to pollute YT sections with muh trillion-dollar thefts. As for overstayed their welcome... Eh, we were an empire, sort of by definition we overstayed our welcome as that is what empire's do when you don't fully cleanse an area and colonise it. Part of the main issue with the British Empire was how light-handed it was in relative terms. It made it clear you were their territories but it ultimately kept it theirs in a loose sense of ownership.

 

[Abhishekm]

I mean, they did, except they ended up failing time and time again, to a company most of the time.


Not really a sorta, we, and by extension other colonial powers are -the- reason some of these areas actually have developed industry in them whatsoever, remember, despite existing for a long time, a few meagre shipments of Portuguese and Ottoman guns were all that was needed to completely upset the West African, Ethiopian-ish region power structure back in the 1600's. Then there's the fact the Indian nation is little more than a continuation of the British Raj, if we hadn't come there wouldn't be an India to pollute YT sections with muh trillion-dollar thefts. As for overstayed their welcome... Eh, we were an empire, sort of by definition we overstayed our welcome as that is what empire's do when you don't fully cleanse an area and colonise it. Part of the main issue with the British Empire was how light-handed it was in relative terms. It made it clear you were their territories but it ultimately kept it theirs in a loose sense of ownership.

Oh, I agree on that. Point is it really should have been a split way before ww2 from India's perspective. India couldn't manage it but an America style revolution decades earlier would have been a lot better thing in my opinion. The least of which would have been precursering thr whole socialist revolution thing and avoiding British partioning of the borders. Would have been more bloody and more work after but would have been better long term in my opinion.

As to the light handed thing. Sure, comparatively speaking but honestly out numbered 1000 to 1 soldiers to local population they still somehow found the retarded balls to pull the Jallianwala Bagh massacre literal months after ww1. Military elements literally were split between volunteering in ww2 under the promise of eventual freedom and saying screw it and joining the axis. The partition debacle still ended up pushing it to closer ties with the soviets as a perceived counter to western and specifically British influence.

Seriously unhealthy resentment there and still is to an extent. Centuries of cultural and cast divisions were quickly being overcome through a collective national dream to smother the red coats in their sleep. Trust me on this the Non-violenece movement came out of trying to find a way stop a good part of the population from going French Revolution instead of American let alone what you got.

 

[absenceofmalice]

so your a holocaust denier?

For gods sake can you make it one day.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

For gods sake can you make it one day.

she said said take your most deeply held beliefs and reverse one and this is one of the most common forms of it.

 

[absenceofmalice]

she said said take your most deeply held beliefs and reverse one and this is one of the most common forms of it.

Does your planet have a concept of pedantry?

 

[Winston Bush]

My controversial takes on history are too controversial even for this thread. Just take your most deeply held beliefs about history, reverse them, and that is me.

Message me. I won’t tell anyone. I want to see how “Edgy” for lack of a better term those opinions are.

 

[Doomsought]

A culture can be barbaric.

The politics and governance of a region flow from culture, therefore the only way for a barbaric nation to quickly change into a civilized one is for it to be colonized, at least culturally, by a more civilized empire and assimilate the civilized character of the empire. During the Meiji restoration, japan made itself an unofficial cultural colony of the west, primarily the United kingdom, in order to modernize. However propaganda to decolonize themselves leading up to World War Two rapidly reintroduced barbarity to Japan's culture leading to their war crimes.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

A culture can be barbaric.

The politics and governance of a region flow from culture, therefore the only way for a barbaric nation to quickly change into a civilized one is for it to be colonized, at least culturally, by a more civilized empire and assimilate the civilized character of the empire. During the Meiji restoration, japan made itself an unofficial cultural colony of the west, primarily the United kingdom, in order to modernize. However propaganda to decolonize themselves leading up to World War Two rapidly reintroduced barbarity to Japan's culture leading to their war crimes.

reverse controversial take

Civility is typically determined by whether there is a protected class or not and if they have the monoploly of force. Order is the protected class being able to look down on everyone from their ivory tower, chaos is whenever they realize they bleed just like the rest of us

Remember the wild west was considered barbaric despite the fact mass pockets had thier own small communties and working economies.

 

[absenceofmalice]

reverse controversial take

Civility is typically determined by whether there is a protected class or not and if they have the monoploly of force. Order is the protected class being able to look down on everyone from their ivory tower, chaos is whenever they realize they bleed just like the rest of us

Remember the wild west was considered barbaric despite the fact mass pockets had thier own small communties and working economies.

1. this thread is explicitly not for arguing the points
2. Thats the silliest definition of order and chaos I've ever heard in my life.

 

[Floridaman]

The antifederalists were right, and that centralizing government inevitably leads to the loss of freedom. The constitution hasn't actually protected anyone.

 

[Floridaman]

Had France had a better armor doctrine then what they did have, as well as had more people reinforcing the Ardenne, they would have stopped the German army

How is that controversial, that is standard among historians. The French had more and better armor, and more troops. The germans had air superiority, and the ability to coordinate the tanks they did have.

 

[Zachowon]

How is that controversial, that is standard among historians. The French had more and better armor, and more troops. The germans had air superiority, and the ability to coordinate the tanks they did have.

In less history snob areas they don't think so.
B1 was over powered!!

But yeah...

 

[Floridaman]

In less history snob areas they don't think so.
B1 was over powered!!

But yeah...

Yeah, the average person thinks the Germans were invincible until they ran into the soviets, I would recommend military history visualized to dissuade that notion, as an Austrian he can read most of the reports, and is free of the misconceptions.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah, the average person thinks the Germans were invincible until they ran into the soviets, I would recommend military history visualized to dissuade that notion, as an Austrian he can read most of the reports, and is free of the misconceptions.

I know who he is very well
More of just what casual people into world war 2 think about france

 

[Scottty]

My controversial takes on history are too controversial even for this thread.
Just take your most deeply held beliefs about history, reverse them, and that is me.

Okay let's see: If I have a "most deeply held belief about history" it's probably something along the lines of:

Humans started off with only primitive tools - animal skin clothing, stone and wood implements, etc. Over time people invented newer and better things: pottery, flint knives, bows and arrows, weaving, metal-working, etc etc until we get to today with computers and rockets and so on.

 

[Winston Bush]

My controversial takes on history are too controversial even for this thread. Just take your most deeply held beliefs about history, reverse them, and that is me.

Tell me. I’ve heard some very interesting conspiracy theories. Go ahead. If you can prove them that is.

 

[ShieldWife]

Tell me. I’ve heard some very interesting conspiracy theories. Go ahead. If you can prove them that is.

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