cawest
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Weeeelll its your story, but i was one of those kids that could get places that gave parents grey hair.... and i was not the main ring leader.
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Weeeelll its your story, but i was one of those kids that could get places that gave parents grey hair.... and i was not the main ring leader.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Its not my story. But given that spaceports involve fusion drives screwing around is a good way to die
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GROGNARD
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yep. real life and fictional life nearby a spaceport ARE NOT like Space Camp.
I was a USAF brat with later life access to a farm's machine shop and chemicals....
I've had fun, but I still have my eyes and fingers because even this redneck realized you don't frak with some stuff.
I was a USAF brat with later life access to a farm's machine shop and chemicals....
I've had fun, but I still have my eyes and fingers because even this redneck realized you don't frak with some stuff.
PeaceMaker 03
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Oh, I agree with not messing with fusion torches, with kids being around and not just merc brats who know better, the need for the Duke to start his own Catachan Junior Star Rangers.
Focused Controlled youthful hijinks, with kickers of tech, mech, Aerospace, tank, etc...... Plus it will help with pipeline for troops, and with testing and assessment to select kids for possible education for everything needed to boost the planet to max capacity for the limited population.
The Duke needs help looking 10-20-30 years out and laying groundwork for the needs then and hiring the people to make it happen.
I know doing tech-certifications was mentioned, in story. Maybe a joint project to create a school for techs and engineers with a focus on lost tech.
Contracting to the Lyran military to train their people on the new systems would be a multi-decade contract if the people are available for training teams and train the trainer teams.
Focused Controlled youthful hijinks, with kickers of tech, mech, Aerospace, tank, etc...... Plus it will help with pipeline for troops, and with testing and assessment to select kids for possible education for everything needed to boost the planet to max capacity for the limited population.
The Duke needs help looking 10-20-30 years out and laying groundwork for the needs then and hiring the people to make it happen.
I know doing tech-certifications was mentioned, in story. Maybe a joint project to create a school for techs and engineers with a focus on lost tech.
Contracting to the Lyran military to train their people on the new systems would be a multi-decade contract if the people are available for training teams and train the trainer teams.
I'd like to make one comment (nice updates, btw), on the Longbow: Most people *don't* (and that's what's happened here) look at it's *quirks* (ie, optional rule modifications), to realize the exact role of the Longbow. It is not an Assault mech. It is a heavy *command* mech for *Anti Air* lances. With it's targeting quirk (Anti Air), it's meant to be paired with Riflemen (given it's build start date). And since they've been playing funny games with canon introduction of tech, it's very likely the Longbow carried HS LRMs.
Speaker4thesilent
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That works, for values of ‘work’ for the original version, except that it’s got the same damn problems as the Rifleman: tinfoil for armor and ammunition dependency. The currently produced version is a step slower than the Rifleman, so it can’t keep up with the other members of its notional Air Defense Lance.
I never said I thought the Longbow was a *good* mech, just what it's obvious niche/mission is for the SLDF, in the 7Q variant, though initially, it was "FWL: We can do the Archer better!", since part of the politics was, of course: "Buy stuff from each realm."
(and honestly, the only reason Kikyo's unit had them, was well, they were assaults the FS made, and well, they could slot into a ADA lance... but realistically, if/when I finish arc 1, and con't on, I'm pretty sure Kikyo and crew will dump the Longbows for upteched Riflemen in that role (or maybe even Archers))
(*My view* on Longbows, is in short, either scrap the lines/repurpose them totally, or convert to Arrow IV carriers, as a bigger variant of the Helo, but one that can also do very nifty ADA if/when ADA Arrows are reestablished. However, yes, I know that's not possible here.)
(and honestly, the only reason Kikyo's unit had them, was well, they were assaults the FS made, and well, they could slot into a ADA lance... but realistically, if/when I finish arc 1, and con't on, I'm pretty sure Kikyo and crew will dump the Longbows for upteched Riflemen in that role (or maybe even Archers))
(*My view* on Longbows, is in short, either scrap the lines/repurpose them totally, or convert to Arrow IV carriers, as a bigger variant of the Helo, but one that can also do very nifty ADA if/when ADA Arrows are reestablished. However, yes, I know that's not possible here.)
Reblax
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if you going for the 0W version yea thin armor at 9T, but the 0W-SM and 7Q have the same armor as a Battlemaster and just shy of the Awesome. The weapon loadout needs work, but an artillery platform is very doable.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
huh it occurs to me that other than the AMS Defiance has all the tech needed to make the orginal spec Flashman or indeed improve the design. And it shouldn't be too hard to set up a 375 xl line while they're making a 380 xl line for the Banshee's
to be fair the Rifleman was never suppose to brawl. it was meant for direct fire support and to make things that fly have a very bad day. That and it looses a lot of tonnage with its primary guns. Its a 60 ton mech with both large lasers and 2 ac5s, that is a lot of gun for the tonnage you have to pay for it somehow. If i were to rework the thing well it screams for double heat sinks and more ammo/ armor if possible. As for the Longbow can anyone remind me on why we don't pull the delta darts keep the 20s add LL and a extra couple of mediums? it sort of keeps the mechs original mission while adding some nice direct fire/self defense.
Speaker4thesilent
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For the former: the Rifleman can’t do its job (hating ASFs out of the sky) if it is dead. With its anemic armor, if it tries to pretend to be a direct fire support ‘Mech, an actual direct fire support ‘Mech like a Warhammer is going to make it regret its life choices.
As an AAA platform, the relative lack of cooling is forgivable. It goes Brrrrrt, and then the ASFs are either past it or doing their best lawn dart impression, and it has time to cool. The lack of armor, though, means those Strike Fighters are damn likely to either kill the Rifleman or cripple it in a single pass, especially since it is, by definition, a priority target. Critical existence failure means it is not accomplishing its mission.
As for the second, because Katrina thinks Assault Mechs shouldn’t be primarily missile platforms. She can get that result with Archers, Crusaders, and Crossbows, thank you.
Fair enough. Your not wrong about the Rifleman its just I am not sure how to fix it without adding tonnage or striping one set of its primary weapons.
He is, his current plan is for tech certifications. Then to have it naturally expand into a more engineering university that covers all the lost tech they they build.
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Speaker4thesilent
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Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
So other than the Crossbow the Flashman is the only 5/8 heavy that the Lyrans circa the 4th Succesion war will be making and really the only one that's a heavy cavalry mech but oh boy is it a fine platform with the tech that the Lyrans and Defiance in particular will have available.
Also it occurs to me that some of the pages that professional restoration might recover on Weber's ancestor's journal might point the Lyrans to the factory on Kwangjong-ni way earlier than in canon. If that's the case the CAC or Alastair himself probably should be granted something around 10% ownership of the facility
On another note I wonder how likely it is that the Lyrans will be moving on Star's End because the sudden increase in importance of the area around it and also to secure the yards located there
Also it occurs to me that some of the pages that professional restoration might recover on Weber's ancestor's journal might point the Lyrans to the factory on Kwangjong-ni way earlier than in canon. If that's the case the CAC or Alastair himself probably should be granted something around 10% ownership of the facility
On another note I wonder how likely it is that the Lyrans will be moving on Star's End because the sudden increase in importance of the area around it and also to secure the yards located there
Speaker4thesilent
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Y’know, I’ve been wondering what your thing is with the Flashman, when nothing I could find said that the Lyrans ever made the damn thing, so I decided to finally track down what is going on with it once and for all.
The Defiance page on Sarna doesn’t list the Flashman as produced by any of the three DefHes sites, and the cheat sheet I’ve been using for industrial production in 3025 doesn’t list it either. At that point I was ready to assume that you’d made a mistake somewhere, but the Flashman page did, in fact, say that DefHes makes them. Even gave citations for where to find the proof.
Thankfully, Yellowhammer has a copy of TRO 3039, which does in fact confirm that the Lyrans have kept the Flashman in ‘almost constant’ production, if not in huge numbers. Think I’m going to rule the line’s current status as damaged but functional. Let’s just say that the Dracs got to it when they dropped those ‘Mechs on the factory back during ... 9th Hesperus? 10th? Whichever.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Fair enough. Of course with the need for fast heavies now being a thing I believe that getting that line fixed will be something Defiance works on since they have the tech to make a version even better than the original albeit they probably won't be getting it fully online for awhile.
As for why I like the Flashman well to put it bluntly it's a solid mech
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Speaker4thesilent
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Even DefHes only had so much money to spend at a time, and they’re throwing their reserves around pretty heavily at the moment rushing orbital industry in Hesperus and Furillo as well as developing new variants of two ‘Mechs and starting the preliminary work for building the Catachan Banshee variant.
The Flashman is an obvious contender for an upgrade, but it’s in the unfortunate position of being less popular than priority designs like the Lyran favorite Zeus but less expendable than a lemon like the Sentinel. They’ll get around to it, but not this upgrade cycle.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Works for me glorious overlord