gral
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Original design is from the OWA, no? I seem to recall so. Does the original maker still exist in 3016?
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Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
to be fair with how effort has gone into the refit the CAC might as well know how to build Stingrays at least ones of this particular variant anyways and if not the LCAF has enough in service via salvage to sacrifice a couple for reverse engineering, if that doesn't work stealing the design is always an option. Ideally while they're at it they can also grab the Blueprints for the Awesome
I thought that the copyright laws in the IS would mean that CAC would need a license one that what ever company makes Stingrays would not give.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
when you're at war with a nation you generally don't respect their copyright laws.
You want 300s if you're dealing with standard engines. It gets you max payload for 3/5, 4/6, and 5/8 mechs, 3/5 tanks, and 5/8 and 8/12 ASF and is a step short of max 7/11 ASF.
For XLs, though, it's only max payload for for mechs at 3/5 and 10/15 and for ASF 12/18 and 5/8. Higher rated XLFE will hit at or near the optimum weights for more useful mid-range movement profiles. The 360 is generally considered the most flexible for ASFs, but divisibility by 25 is more valuable for mechs if you are tolerant of relatively slow XL mechs and by 7 if you're particularly intolerant of them which make the 350 a candidate.
340s lack useful factors and can only go in 85 tonners at 4/6 for mechs 6/9 for ASF. When you're talking about altering one of a very small number of XLFE lines the Lyran Commonwealth has that's not ideal. I'd look at doing an even more ambitious heavy cavalry Warhammer with a 350 or look into up-engining the Chippewa with a 360. The latter gets almost everything they wanted from the Orca.
Bear Ribs
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That actually doesn't work per the rules though, all 300 rating engines aren't created equal, each different weight class of 'mech requires an entirely different 300 engine line according to the build rules. And per Strategic Operations pg 180:
engines must be matched to the unit’s tonnage and Walking MP (and heat sink type, for heat sinks outside the engine).
For this reason, quartermasters rarely stock replacement engines.
You can't pull the engine from a 3/5 100 tonner and toss it in a 5/8 60 tonner, they use totally different 300 class engines that aren't compatible. I know it's pretty popular among writers to make their designs all use the same engine size for logistics purposes. I suspect the game devs added those rules purely to shut said fanfic writers down.
Orangeduke38
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I'm a little surprised that CAC went for the Stingray refit before doing one for the Hellcat or something to make the Chippewa less of a deathtrap considering that both are made in the LC.
Speaker4thesilent
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They had a Stingray and the guy piloting it is attached. He’s also the CAG, so they want him alive. Ergo ...
That's never borne out in the fluff. The Thunderbird, Eagle, Atlas, Marauder, and Dragon use the same engine by name and the Comguards refit a variety of mechs using a stockpile of 300 XLFE in the buildup to Tukayyid.
Speaker4thesilent
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cawest
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have you thought about posting this on the battle forum or fanfic.net? this forum does not like hotmail, or outlook emails.
Next have you looked at the Clint? its only 40 tons but it can fit ER PPCs, PPCs, or AC5s. it was liked as a bug hunter and for other uses on the edge of house space.
Next have you looked at the Clint? its only 40 tons but it can fit ER PPCs, PPCs, or AC5s. it was liked as a bug hunter and for other uses on the edge of house space.
Speaker4thesilent
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It isn’t produced in the Lyran Commonwealth in this era, so no, I haven’t looked at a refit for it.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
not to mention that the Archon must really like the dude since his actions indirectly lead to the uncovering of what Lockheed CBM was up to, not to mention helping her out a lot in the whole getting her reforms spread to the Aerospace Branch of the LCAF where they are desperately needed
Ah the good ole Vlar 300 and its XL variant. Probably one of if not the most popular fusion engines in the setting
This is Battletech, it might not be the case. IIRC they usually do respect copyright, it can be puzzling at times. Or they just don't think it would be worth the effort to make their own plant for the designs they have captured, I dunno.
Speaker4thesilent
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It is a short step from not respecting Copyrights to not respecting Com*’s neutrality. The phone company has determined that it is in their favor to ensure that the legal niceties are observed, and they have the leverage to force the issue.
WolfknightX10
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Which begs the question, how will our Archon get them to accept the CAC producing the Sarissa, a FWL mech.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Mind you I would probably consider the Stingray refit different enough from the base design to probably not fall under copyright l given how it basically has entirely different internals.
Of course even if the CAC can't build Stingray methinks the LCAF would be very interested paying for the development of a new bird that fits the same profile as the refit even if this gets done by another company since the CAC is probably going to be rather busy with new a dropper chopper design based on the Vulcan in order to kill off any reason to procure the Lucifer and coincidently make the CAC tons of money in the process.
Mind you I do wonder what all those Lucifer lines will be making in the future. Hopefully they get retooled to something useful like Thunderbirds or the Eagle. Or perhaps the new Stingray variant under license from the CAC
given how nobody has made the things in centuries they can't really complain.
WolfknightX10
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Which is apparently not that long for corporations in Battletech. See Olivetti still being considered a start-up despite decades under his belt. Could be Com’s more obvious play at getting eyes on Catachan.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
as I recall Weber kinda insisted that Katarina work to change the patent laws of the Commonwealth so if you haven't made something in fifty or so years(although that number will actually probably end up being a century or so due to how battletech works) you no longer have the exclusive rights to it
WolfknightX10
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Then question for Speaker then would changing the Commonwealth’s copyright laws be enough to satisfy Com. I doubt they would allow it as that sets a precedent for the others to change theirs when they want a design the other side made.