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Aren't the Chinese a bit racist towards those of African descent? If so then why would TLM do good in China?

it's apparently not forecasted as doing very good in Asian markets, including China, either for some unknown and mysterious reason. :unsure:

UNKNOWN AND MYSTERIOUS REASON, @Typhonis.

Or are you racist against commies and Pooh-bears or something, huh?
 
UNKNOWN AND MYSTERIOUS REASON, @Typhonis.

Or are you racist against commies and Pooh-bears or something, huh?
I identify as a Bolo MK XXXIII. My natural habitat is inside a thermonuclear fireball. I see everything else smaller than myself as 'tread grease', targets or cover, possibly an ally. I hate everyone equally. Plus I have MAGA painted across the front of my war hull.

For the record I have not now, nor ever been a member of the German National Socialists Workers Party. So as for me being racist? No clue. :)
 
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I identify as a Bolo MK XXXIII. My natural habitat is inside a thermonucclear fireball. I see everything else smaller than myself as 'tread grease', targets or cover, possibly an ally. I hate everyone equally. Plus I have MAGA painted across the front of my war hull.

For the record I have not now, nor ever been a member of the German National Socialists Workers Party. So as for me being racist? No clue. :)

Okay, whatever else is said, that one had me spit my drink all over my monitor. Good one. 😂
 
Aren't the Chinese a bit racist towards those of African descent? If so then why would TLM do good in China?
Honestly I don't even think racism is necessarily the overriding factor here, the Mainland Chinese definitely do not buy into 'black is beautiful' as woke advertisers might say, but they don't seem to mind black actors who are actually compelling and play actual characters whose presence in-story makes sense as opposed to those who are clearly just there to check a box and/or played off as jokes. Djimon Hounsou played a secondary character in a fairly big Chinese TV show from not too long ago and nobody seems to have had a problem with that, his role was a pretty serious one (a crime lord & slave trader) that wasn't played for laughs too. It did also help that that show's setting was the famously cosmopolitan Tang dynasty, which IIRC was when they experienced first contact with sub-Saharan Africans (either as traveling merchants or slaves to Arab merchants).

In the case of the Black Little Mermaid, or BLM if you will, I think the issue might have less to do with Halle Bailey being black and more with her being - shall we say - not particularly conventionally attractive, as all the memes about her eyes might suggest. This also seems to have been Chinese Star Wars fans' bone of contention with the sequels: other than the plot (such as it was) being dumb, they thought the actors weren't hot enough and mentioned that if Finn had been played by Will Smith rather than John Boyega, they wouldn't have had such a problem with him, regardless of his prominence or lack thereof on the movie poster. Same goes for the Tico sisters, there was no faster way for Disney to turn the Chinese off of them than by 1) casting Vietnamese actresses (heads up Mickey, Asians aren't all the same!), 2) killing the one played by a model off early on, and 3) going out of their way to make Rose's actress (who doesn't look bad in some non-SW photos of her I've seen) look as frumpy & unattractive as possible, presumably because adhering to conventional beauty standards = patriarchy and also because Rian Johnson wanted to write the kind of girl he thought was attainable in high school into the story.

Tl;dr we should be blaming racism less and feminism more in the case of T(B)LM's bombing overseas. Dark skin is a disadvantage when it comes to Chinese beauty standards, but it's not insurmountable as long as you cast a dark-skinned actress who's at least a 7/10 in the role and to be blunt, Halle Bailey did not meet their bar. Also, as even the CCP will say in their publications, Chinese audiences aren't so stupid that they can't pick up on obvious sociopolitical messaging being pushed in their faces and won't respect a character whose 'diversity' is clearly the main purpose for their existence, any more than they would have respected the minstrel show comic-relief Finn was turned into after TFA (a universal feeling not limited to Chinese audiences I imagine, if the '''''storytellers''''' themselves clearly don't respect the character, why should they?).
 
So...honest, serious question to all right now: Is Disney in a healthy state right now, IE is it just suffering some temporary setbacks, or is this indications of something far worse within the company?
 
And in case anyone is wondering why I'm asking...


Like I said...
They've done SO many things horribly wrong from the perspective of rewarding shareholders and making money. Losses abound in their parks, their cruise ships, their entertainment. It's in the Billions.
If what you just posted spurs a series dumping of Disney stock...they may very well HAVE to offload some of their recent acquisitions in order to stay afloat. If they hold onto them...they'll be looking at bankruptcy.
 
So...honest, serious question to all right now: Is Disney in a healthy state right now, IE is it just suffering some temporary setbacks, or is this indications of something far worse within the company?
I can't imagine how an argument can be made that it isn't the latter case right now, tbh. Financially they haven't had a really knock-out success of a movie since Frozen 2 IIRC, I remember seeing headlines & reading articles noting that even Black Panther 2 underperformed, and more recently they've started straight-up flopping: Ant-Man 3 bombed, it's still unclear whether GOTG 3 will break even, Little Mermaid's flopping right now and the rest of their lineup this year - Elemental, Dial of Destiny, The Marvels - all look set to bomb hard too. I really doubt people are gonna line up for merch related to these so there's that revenue line closed off to Disney too.

Can't help that Disney's budgets for these movies are insane. Elemental had a $200 million budget and now it's projected to make less (potentially almost 50% less) than $40 million in its opening weekend, WTF even is that? For comparison Mario, which just beat Frozen 1 at the box office, was made on half as much money! Little Mermaid was made on a $250 million budget. And Dial of Destiny's budget was almost $300 million, crazy steep for a film that's being marketed about as effectively as Rings of Power lmao. All this on top of cratering the value of the other IPs they still have, they bought Star Wars for $4 billion and I bet that's worth a lot less now - the sequels have tarnished the brand so severely that an Episode X is now inconceivable and, while Star Wars has traditionally been a merchandising juggernaut, they can't get people to buy the newer merch.

Then we've got to account for how the shareholders are starting to sue Disney for screwing up and lying to them, how they seem hellbent on waging their war with DeSantis and continuing to burn down their family-friendly image long after that one call with the Disney exec boasting of pushing her 'not-so-secret gay agenda' got leaked, etc. Looks to me like the Mouse is in a very bad place indeed (both financially and culturally) and it's only going to get worse in the foreseeable future, they still have a ways to fall before smashing into rock bottom and no way back up in sight.
 
DIsney is a prime example of what happens when you let woke cancer infest a company from the bottom to the top.

Like a termite-infested tree, the whole company is collapsing.

If any business owners are reading this, purge the woke from your ranks -- take the discrimination loss if you have to, but start from HR, and then look around. Otherwise, your company will be screwed.
 
DIsney is a prime example of what happens when you let woke cancer infest a company from the bottom to the top.

Like a termite-infested tree, the whole company is collapsing.

If any business owners are reading this, purge the woke from your ranks -- take the discrimination loss if you have to, but start from HR, and then look around. Otherwise, your company will be screwed.

"Sees Budweiser and Target, then looks sideways at Disney"

Probably not a bad idea...
 
Well, speaking of other news from Clownfish....



Just....no comment.


Also, I trust everyone heard the Galactic Starcruiser Hotel, or whatever they call it, that other "great" Disney idea, is officially closing in September?? I mean, it was only open a year? Wow, not good.
 
How can this be? Many on the reactionary right were saying the ESG loans would preserve Disney from its disastrous business decisions indefinitely. Have those fools on high realised their wallets weren't as bottomless as they thought?
Partially, yes.

But it's also a perspective matter. Much of the reactionary right are blackpilled who think the only way to win is to tear it all down, but the majority of people aren't at that point yet, so for their desired strategy to actually take hold and come to fruition, they actually need to paint the left as stronger and more unassailable than they are.

The other issue is that ESG only actually works in a healthy, growing, successful economy. In other words, you needed Trump's pre-Covid economy to support it. So in a way the left sabotaged their own efforts by the one-two punch of Covid coupled with the Biden economic policy that has gutted much of the American economy. This has caused enough economic turmoil that ESG is no longer a viable strategy for investing and is starting to lose people money (this could be papered over in Trump's economy, it's likely that companies not having to play to ESG standards would have made MORE money had they not, but there's no real way to PROVE that while everyone is profiting). However, NOW ESG is clearly costing money and is not looking to recoup losses due to everyone in the economy suffering.
 
Partially, yes.

But it's also a perspective matter. Much of the reactionary right are blackpilled who think the only way to win is to tear it all down, but the majority of people aren't at that point yet, so for their desired strategy to actually take hold and come to fruition, they actually need to paint the left as stronger and more unassailable than they are.

The other issue is that ESG only actually works in a healthy, growing, successful economy. In other words, you needed Trump's pre-Covid economy to support it. So in a way the left sabotaged their own efforts by the one-two punch of Covid coupled with the Biden economic policy that has gutted much of the American economy. This has caused enough economic turmoil that ESG is no longer a viable strategy for investing and is starting to lose people money (this could be papered over in Trump's economy, it's likely that companies not having to play to ESG standards would have made MORE money had they not, but there's no real way to PROVE that while everyone is profiting). However, NOW ESG is clearly costing money and is not looking to recoup losses due to everyone in the economy suffering.

The current left would happily burn everything to the ground if it meant they got to rule the ashes.
 
So...honest, serious question to all right now: Is Disney in a healthy state right now, IE is it just suffering some temporary setbacks, or is this indications of something far worse within the company?
They've certainly taken some hits but Disney's also in a bad place internally.

Disney's very prone to faction fights over who gets to be in charge. Iger actually tried to circumvent the usual infighting by grooming Thomas Staggs to be his successor. Staggs had done a staggeringly good job with the parks and was promoted to the #2 position in Disney, making him a shoe-in.

Then something went wrong and Staggs left the company just before Iger retired. Kevin Mayer, another front-runner praised by Iger who was seen as a legit successor, also quit and joined forces with Staggs. Chapek took the position instead leading to, well, more infighting and Chapek getting fired for incompetence in just a couple of years. There are presumably some nasty office politics hidden behind this story.

That said, even if it's a badly wounded bear, Disney's still a bear of a company. They have a massive array of assets ranging from a sports team to merchandising to intellectual properties galore to theme parks. They're not out of the fight yet. I personally feel the breaking point is going to come next year, when Mickey Mouse will enter the public domain unless Disney can convince Congress to do yet another copyright extension. If they don't get that, it will show that Disney's lost enough power that they can't call in political favors and support, people will take serious note of this loss of power, and I suspect the company will be done for though it will take decades for the corpse to quit twitching. If they get the extension, Disney will have shown that they still have enough fingers in the political pie to swing legal battles their way and will be able to use regulatory capture to prevent competition from rising up and displacing them.
 

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