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[Jormungandr]

He folded.

It's times like this that shows someone's character, and DeSantis just proved he lacked the guts to do what he promised.

This guy isn't a good fit to be a Candidate.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

He folded.

It's times like this that shows someone's character, and DeSantis just proved he lacked the guts to do what he promised.

This guy isn't a good fit to be a Candidate.

Has Desantis signed the bill?

To my understanding, this is what the bill looks like right now. Has it been voted on in the Legislature?

 

[Abhorsen]

DeSantis has FOLDED To Disney.

"So basically Woke Disney gets to keep its nearly tax-free, regulation-free status—but with a different Board".
"The Reedy Creek Improvement District is not dissolved as of June 1 2023, but continues in full force and effect under it's new name".

It's not just 'a new board'. It's a board hand picked by DeSantis. And fair point for them not paying taxes, they pay for their own fire department and etc. Is it better they make the nearby counties pay for this? The key thing is that by owning the board, he can stop the issuance of tax free bonds. That's the big win here, without punishing a bunch of people in nearby counties.

The law explicitly bans anyone who is or was recently working or contracting with disney from being on the board. This lets him run herd on them forever, while not annoying anyone outside from a spillover effect. He can threaten to have the board issue taxes, etc.

Think about it, if he just disolved it, disney would have tried for control of whatever county they were now in. But now, they are always 2 steps removed from the government slapping them down. I don't necessarily like it, but this is exactly what Disney didn't want.

Also, we know it's a win because the NYT is trying to say it wasn't.

 

[DarthOne]

It's not just 'a new board'. It's a board hand picked by DeSantis. And fair point for them not paying taxes, they pay for their own fire department and etc. Is it better they make the nearby counties pay for this? The key thing is that by owning the board, he can stop the issuance of tax free bonds. That's the big win here, without punishing a bunch of people in nearby counties.

The law explicitly bans anyone who is or was recently working or contracting with disney from being on the board. This lets him run herd on them forever, while not annoying anyone outside from a spillover effect. He can threaten to have the board issue taxes, etc.

Think about it, if he just disolved it, disney would have tried for control of whatever county they were now in. But now, they are always 2 steps removed from the government slapping them down. I don't necessarily like it, but this is exactly what Disney didn't want.

Also, we know it's a win because the NYT is trying to say it wasn't.

More half measures. More compromises. More lies.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Uh huh, and you think he'll exercise this theoretical power? After he already failed to strip Disney's special status at all? How optimistic.

 

[Abhorsen]

More half measures. More compromises. More lies.

This isn't a half measure. This is the total victory. I don't know where the hell you are coming from? A half measure would be dissolving the county.

Uh huh, and you think he'll exercise this theoretical power? After he already failed to strip Disney's special status at all? How optimistic.

He did. He blew up their control. Disney had a special special status. Theme parks and the like in Florida usually have special status (they don't pay local taxes because they run all their own local stuff and don't have schools because no one lives there).



The problem DeSantis ran into wasn't Disney, it's that people living around disney didn't want to deal with the BS of Disney and it's lobbyists breathing down their local government's throats and bribing them, nor did it want to police Disney and pay for that. So instead DeSantis kneecaps Disney harder by turning what was protection into a prison they are stuck in. He can put whatever local taxes he wants on Disney then shove the proceeds to the state. He owns the local board. They can start instituting zoning controls, force Disney to do all sorts of stupid stuff, whatever. Disneyworld is now DeSantis' bitch forever.

 

[Jormungandr]

Has Desantis signed the bill?

To my understanding, this is what the bill looks like right now. Has it been voted on in the Legislature?

Not sure, but he sure hasn't come out against it in anyway, AFAIK. That's not a good sign.

 

[Yinko]

The board for the development zone cannot have anyone who has worked for any of the parks or associated companies. As such, it seems like the state government would be able to stock the board with pretty much whoever they like.

 

[Abhorsen]

Not sure, but he sure hasn't come out against it in anyway, AFAIK. That's not a good sign.

Yes, it is a good sign. This bill is exactly what DeSantis wants, without any of the bad spillover effects. That people are spinning this in as a collapse is typical. He found a way to ensure that his hit only hit Disney, not the surrounding people, and made it so that Disney is permanently the bitch of the local government without the ability to suborn it.

Look, if DeSantis abolished the zone entirely, in 2 years, Disney would have just grabbed a hold of Orange County local governance, and screwed over the people there. This makes that nearly impossible.

 

[ParadiseLost]

If I were DeSantis, the first thing I would do is get some political supporters to start blowing up news about how Disney tends to treat their college age park workers. (its fucking awful, btw)

After its been on Fox and Breitbart and even some more centrist news channels, have the commissioners raise the special administrative districts minimum wage, substantially, and then spread that on the news.

If Disney complains, publicize any complaints and make as many leftists here about it as possible. Disney will look like the villain.

 

[Abhorsen]

If I were DeSantis, the first thing I would do is get some political supporters to start blowing up news about how Disney tends to treat their college age park workers. (its fucking awful, btw)

After its been on Fox and Breitbart and even some more centrist news channels, have the commissioners raise the special administrative districts minimum wage, substantially, and then spread that on the news.

If Disney complains, publicize any complaints and make as many leftists here about it as possible. Disney will look like the villain.

Hilariously, if Disney sues the county board, the board will raise taxes on Disney to pay for the defense, and then pay out any settlement.

 

[posh-goofiness]

@Abhorsen No. They aren't DeSantis' bitch, they are an extension of the governorship now. DeSantis will not be there forever. When he leaves office all Disney will do is ensure that they have absolute control of the levers DeSantis has just given them. They will be even harder to punish later because the Florida governorship will be theirs lock, stock, and barrel.

You think this is a victory? Nope.

 

[Bacle]

DeSantis has FOLDED To Disney.

"So basically Woke Disney gets to keep its nearly tax-free, regulation-free status—but with a different Board".
"The Reedy Creek Improvement District is not dissolved as of June 1 2023, but continues in full force and effect under it's new name".

He folded.

It's times like this that shows someone's character, and DeSantis just proved he lacked the guts to do what he promised.

This guy isn't a good fit to be a Candidate.

Uh, this is a win, not a loss, if you actually look at the details.

This means Disney is now effectively under DeSantis's thumb, not the other way around.

This gives conservatives power to start to unfuck Disney from the inside, and at a high level too.

 

[Abhorsen]

@Abhorsen No. They aren't DeSantis' bitch, they are an extension of the governorship now. DeSantis will not be there forever. When he leaves office all Disney will do is ensure that they have absolute control of the levers DeSantis has just given them. They will be even harder to punish later because the Florida governorship will be theirs lock, stock, and barrel.

You think this is a victory? Nope.

No, it won't. It's too expensive for it to be worth their time, money, risk, and effort. Winning a governor's race costs 10s to 100s of millions of dollars in Florida. That's the only seat that matters to them, as governor gets to appoint the locals. If they lose, they've pissed off the winner, who's in the perfect position to beat them up. What do they get for winning? Being left alone, which they'd get if they'd shut up and stay out of the way.

We can see this worked with the latest election, where they sat down and shut up.

In contrast, a local district is easy to control. Many of the people who vote already work for Disney, there's nothing to prevent them from having Disney employees win elections, etc. Everything you claim that Disney can try to do to the governorship, Disney can do much easier to the local county, to much worse effects for people living in the county.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The first thing I read on the Twitter said this was a loss for DeSantis and a win for Disney. You can't expect me to so readily accept a counter explanation even if it is based in facts and logic!

 

[posh-goofiness]

Yes, and for a slightly large price, they will now do that to an entire state. They will do whatever they need to do so they control their little fiefdom. You think 100s of millions is too Much for them to spend? Are you joking? They will gladly spend that and more to ensure a governorship AND their fiefdom's autonomy. @Abhorsen

 

[Abhorsen]

Yes, and for a slightly large price, they will now do that to an entire state. They will do whatever they need to do so they control their little fiefdom. You think 100s of millions is too Much for them to spend? Are you joking? They will gladly spend that and more to ensure a governorship AND their fiefdom's autonomy. @Abhorsen

So by your logic, Disney is too powerful, and no matter what DeSantis did it was futile? Okay then. So you'd rather he just collapse and leave them completely alone then? Honestly, I'd be fine with that as well (I'm always wary of governments lashing out a business), but I think this is a judicious, carefully done one.

Realistically, no, Disney won't. First, it's not a slightly larger price. It's a huge price difference. 10s of millions different. And a huge risk lest they ever lose. Or, they could just duck out of politics in Florida. Which is free and easy. It's company, they want money. That's why they went woke in the first place: they thought conservatives won't care, liberals do. Now they are getting a strong signal that getting involved in politics comes at a cost.

Staying out of politics gets Disney everything it wants in terms of non-interference, so they can restore status quo, but now are very wary of stepping in the shit again, because now a finger is on the trigger.

 

[DarthOne]

So by your logic, Disney is too powerful, and no matter what DeSantis did it was futile? Okay then. So you'd rather he just collapse and leave them completely alone then? Honestly, I'd be fine with that as well (I'm always wary of governments lashing out a business), but I think this is a judicious, carefully done one.

Realistically, no, Disney won't. First, it's not a slightly larger price. It's a huge price difference. 10s of millions different. And a huge risk lest they ever lose. Or, they could just duck out of politics in Florida. Which is free and easy. It's company, they want money. That's why they went woke in the first place: they thought conservatives won't care, liberals do. Now they are getting a strong signal that getting involved in politics comes at a cost.

Staying out of politics gets Disney everything it wants in terms of non-interference, so they can restore status quo, but now are very wary of stepping in the shit again, because now a finger is on the trigger.

Your forgetting it’s not just Disney. It’s the Leftoids, the Deep State and the WEF. All of which have very deep pockets.

 

[posh-goofiness]

@Abhorsen "By my logic"? Lol no. That's you putting words in my mouth.

I would RATHER he do what he said he would and fucking strip them of their special privileges.

Realistically, Disney absolutely will. They spend that much and more just on lobbying. They will quite happily turn that up just a bit more to retain their fiefdom, control a governorship, and send a message to Floridians that they can do whatever the fuck they want.

They do it everyday, after all, when they support and promote pedophilia.

 

[Abhorsen]

@Abhorsen "By my logic"? Lol no. That's you putting words in my mouth.

I would RATHER he do what he said he would and fucking strip them of their special privileges.

... And then have the county they are in run by Disney, which would crush the local inhabitants? Because by your claim they'd run the governorship, they could definitely run the local town. And that local town could give Disney a tax exemption, while using tax dollars to pay for Disney's policing. Which would be even better than Disney's current situation. Right now, Disney pays for 100% of what would normally be city services. In Orange county, they wouldn't have to.

So yes, by your logic.

Your forgetting it’s not just Disney. It’s the Leftoids, the Deep State and the WEF. All of which have very deep pockets.

If it's hopeless, then why bother? Just leave them alone. Again, I don't see an argument you can make where somehow Disney should have an easier time controlling the governor rather than the local county government where it has thousands of employees who vote.