LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Wow. Talk about hyperbolic language. What do you base this 'cancerous growth' perspective on?
We need to restructure our economy.
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Wow. Talk about hyperbolic language. What do you base this 'cancerous growth' perspective on?
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Air and satelite photographs.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Get some sense of scale then, please. Also, compare urban areas to suburban areas.
Liberterrarium
Member
Yes. A far better version of the same solution would be to incentivize people to go down these paths. The government could use tax breaks, grants, or whatever, but a labor corps isn't a solution.
I have friends who knew that they wanted to be Rabbis before they were ten. They buried themselves in the Torah, learned Hebrew with a fiery passion, and still serve their communities. That's the beauty of America; it gives us a chance to chase that dream. We all had parents who fled Europe in the forties for that freedom. Pulling them into a scheme like that proposed would only lead to poor apprentices who quickly went back to their calling at Rabbinical School, and leaving the government (or whoever paid for the training) holding the bill.
Um they have been doing what you suggested for 10 years now. And still Parents are steering their kids away from the Trades. Parents for some reason have only pushed College and stigmitized the Trades to the point that even those incentives didn't work.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
That's BS. There's arguably still a majority push towards college, but it absolutely is not the only thing being pushed anymore.
The college bubble hasn't finished collapsing yet, but it has started to deflate.
That is not BS because unlike you I have actually worked on Contruction sites for 3 years straight. Before my site change. You guys don't have a clue how bad it has gotten. Most of the American Contractors are 10 years younger than me, My Age or 10 years older than me. With the rest being Hispanic. They are having trouble getting young Milleninniels and Gen Z to sign on. And the pay is very competitive. They just won't do it.
I suspect it's a prestige thing/not wanting their kids to have to deal with absolutely garbage wages/management. I'm one of the few guys under 30 on the shop floor of my company's machine shop, and everyone else is at least 5 years older than me, with the majority being 20 to 30 years older. If it weren't for middle management being garbage (our automatic saw has been busted for a month now and our floor manager wants to just get rid of it, but his boss won't let him), I'd be doing some overtime every now and then (assuming we'd have the material/work orders, which is another mess).
That said, rates that are competitive in the industry itself may not be competitive with office jobs that can get you $45K for sitting on your butt and editing word docs.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
That's not the point I was contesting. The idea that young people are only pushed into college is what I was contesting.
Yes, there are still shortages in different labor fields. The 'Only college all the time' mentality no longer has total cultural dominance though. It's still stronger than it has any good reason to be, but it's not completely uncontested anymore.
I think shop saws are designed to get busted and Managers are trained to ignore the busted saw. It is a conspiracy I tell you.
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Well we need to drill that into the heads of these kids. Because I am having a hard time trying to get some Basement dwelling gamers I know to get off their butts and go to trade school to pay off their College debt. They would rather try and get and office job and not pay off the debt than get an electrician job and pay it off.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Thing is, I think being an office worker is almost seen as an ideal job or the real way to move up in the world
Electrician job? Engineer job? Too close to working class by getting their hands dirty
Plus, I think there’s a point about how entrenched the “need” for universities people believe
Ever read Isaac Asimov’s works? Guy can envision lots of things and their effects and he still thought we’d be requiring and using solely governments to gain and maintain infrastructure or that essentially government schools or universities’d be the only real way to compress knowledge or similar
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I don't live in a basement but I can be quite lazy when I was still looking for a job but panic on the inside that I will not have a job while playing more games to drown my sorrows.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Well here’s one good thing, you at least are actually into the entertainment media you play
Lots of SJW types who get into entertainment are very hollow narcissistic sociopath types who probably can’t feel what you feel when playing games as they’d rather spend time getting likes and serving their egos....even when their company is sinking to the ground and they barely really prosper
Nothing beats hard work. I have told this story on SB. But many years ago when I fell on hard times. I worked as a Janitor at interstate rest areas. I worked that job until I found better work. Doing I have found is the best way to open other doors for you to get better things. Just some advice to those who might be in a bind right now.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
It's before I found a job. Pay's a different issue but I had opportunities to switch my duties around to get a reality of what it's like.
If only there was a way to digitally download job experiences into our heads, we can easily decide our careers.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Sorry, but what you guys just said sorta goes against the whole idea that Marxists sorta got
Hard Work especially at a job as a janitor won't get you anywhere and will just leave you exploited by "The Man"
Liberterrarium
Member
I work with a lot of younger people, most with college on their minds. Most don't care about any stigma. They want money and opportunity. For a kid with hustle, a good college degree offers money and opportunity around the world. A trade, while reliable, has a ceiling in earnings and opportunity.
My Cousin Thomas Green started out as a Carpenter and Brick mason. He is now a multi millionaire and owner of Tristar Builders. He made his millions with trade skills and determination.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Frankly, I think the odds of building your own business up are better than trying to climb the corporate ladder these days.
A lot of corporate culture is rotting, in no small part because of over-emphasis on college grads, especially from Ivy League schools whose philosophy has gone to the dogs.
Indeed. That is why I am planning on opening up a small Laundremat business in the next few years. Just ironing out how large I want the business and the best location for the service. People will always need to wash clothes.