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Warhammer Warhammer General discussion thread: Now with 100% more Space Marines
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evilchumlee
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Been on a Warhammer kick as of late. Kinda-sorta new to it, at least in any sort of deep dive. I've known the broad strokes for a long time, but this is the first time i'm really digging into the lore beyond most of just the surface level stuff.
I had a question though. What goes on a Chaos world, like, for the normal everyday person? They hold entire systems... it can't just be pure torture-killing all the time, 24/7, right? There has to be like, Chaos farmers and stuff. I would imagine some Chaos worlds would be... "safe" havens for smugglers, pirates and all manner of general lowlifes that maybe aren't like, outwardly evil but also would 100% be considered heretics in the Imperium.
I had a question though. What goes on a Chaos world, like, for the normal everyday person? They hold entire systems... it can't just be pure torture-killing all the time, 24/7, right? There has to be like, Chaos farmers and stuff. I would imagine some Chaos worlds would be... "safe" havens for smugglers, pirates and all manner of general lowlifes that maybe aren't like, outwardly evil but also would 100% be considered heretics in the Imperium.
AnimalNoodles
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Depends on what you mean by chaos world. A world that falls to chaos generally gets pulled at least partially into the warp and becomes a daemon world. And on these worlds, you labour for chaos, worship Chaos and if you are very "lucky" you might fight yourself free enough to become a champion or be chosen as a chaos space marine.
for example, Bubonicus, a Daemon Prince of Nurgle (who in the original lore came from the the warhammer fantasy world) has a world with a vast daisy chain of worshippers that literally rings the planet dancing and singing praises to Nurgle, while they catch Nurgles Rot, decay, die and rise as Plague Bearers and are then replaced with new worshippers. It never ends.
evilchumlee
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I'm sure that happens too but like, are there no... otherwise normal worlds that Chaos occupies? Like something with an actualish government that runs day to day operations of a planet?
Skitzyfrenic
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Colchis, for a bit.
Realistically, it's primitive feudalism runs by demons and demonic cultists. Might very much makes right. They have 4 flavours of might though.
Ixian
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Short answer: A lot.
It depends on how bad the Warp is around the planet. They range from fairly stable chaos cult led societies, to hellish forests of meat trees that were the former inhabitants.
Look up some of the worlds inside the Screaming Vortex for in-depth overviews on planets stuck inside a warp storm.
evilchumlee
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There's a part of me that has always wanted Chaos to be a bit more of an... Anti-Imperium. Of course all of the evil, torturous demonic shit happens but... hell some of that happens in the Imperium, too like throwing a thousand souls a day at the Golden Throne and servitors and what not.
But like, I would love to see Chaos emerge as an even-more-forceful worship mill for its patron god, but with some actual organization to it. They're essentially trying to do the same thing as the Emperor was... expand out, rule everything. The Chaos gods are just doing it specifically to rule everything and enforce worship to increase their power.
There has to be SOME form of organizations, though. Things like the Dark Mechanicus exist.
I heard an interesting idea elsewhere and I know GW won't do it, but I thought it was a cool idea. If they take advantage of the huge timescales, they can do all kinds of things without changing anything. Like, jump to M43 and start doing something else. People can still play in M41... it didn't go away. The idea was having a bunch of Primarch's come back, and have the IoM fracture up under a bunch of them. Like, 40k Game of Thrones.
But like, I would love to see Chaos emerge as an even-more-forceful worship mill for its patron god, but with some actual organization to it. They're essentially trying to do the same thing as the Emperor was... expand out, rule everything. The Chaos gods are just doing it specifically to rule everything and enforce worship to increase their power.
There has to be SOME form of organizations, though. Things like the Dark Mechanicus exist.
I heard an interesting idea elsewhere and I know GW won't do it, but I thought it was a cool idea. If they take advantage of the huge timescales, they can do all kinds of things without changing anything. Like, jump to M43 and start doing something else. People can still play in M41... it didn't go away. The idea was having a bunch of Primarch's come back, and have the IoM fracture up under a bunch of them. Like, 40k Game of Thrones.
StormEagle
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No matter what chaos planet you live on, you’re still probably ending your life on some kind of altar to one of the Four.
That’s if you’re lucky.
If you’re really unlucky, you end your life as part of the Daemonculaba supply chain. Hopefully you’re male and are getting repeatedly skinned in that little bit of chaos loveliness.
Or you live on a world ruled by the Emperor’s Children…You do not want to live on a world ruled by the Emperor’s Children.
AnimalNoodles
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Not really. Its Chaos. You exist to provide soul food to whatever being occupied the planet. The world is literally reshaped at the whim of the being who controls it.
It's pretty weird. Their are dedicated resource worlds within the Eye of Terror and Immaterium etc but they're also called Daemon Worlds for a reason. And it's still the Warp where time and space act all weird and funky. Warhammer 40K already plays extremely loose with natural law, as well as general internal consistency within the setting itself but that's magnified many times over in Daemon Worlds and Chaos Space in general. Normalcy isn't something that is required for anything to function in a manner that we'd find to be semi-logical. It certainly wouldn't be an anti-Imperium even with the convenient naming conventions like Mechanicus and Dark Mechanicus or Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines.
Sergeant Foley
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Definitely following this discussion mega-thread very closely with intriguing interest.
Skitzyfrenic
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I have no idea because I've gotten out of the hobby due to pricing and was really only a tourist+ in terms of lore outside the Imperium, but Trazyn is best.
Ixian
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Just buy recast. Same product, 1/3 of the cost.
Recasts are extremely iffy on quality. Save time and money, buy a 3D resin printer.
Skitzyfrenic
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Well, to further add to it, I live in a poor Carribean country right now. Even if I did get back into the game (I hate painting so that's another reason why I dropped it. But mostly price) I'd really have no one to play with.
At this point, it makes more sense to use a VTT, like Tabletop Simulator on Steam and use a workshop mod to play 40k.
Which I'm pretty sure has healthy WHF, but I don't know off hand what the 40k bits look like. The BT mods are great, though.
At this point, it makes more sense to use a VTT, like Tabletop Simulator on Steam and use a workshop mod to play 40k.
Which I'm pretty sure has healthy WHF, but I don't know off hand what the 40k bits look like. The BT mods are great, though.
Ixian
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Most Chinese recasers are pretty bad.
The Russians are better. You have to do some internet searching to find either.
These guys are solid quality if you don't mind supporting two Russian dudes in their garage.