Easily the best Age of Sail war movie I've ever seen.
Always remember, choose the lesser of two weevils.
War Film recommendations
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Always remember, choose the lesser of two weevils.
It feels like a "heist" or "action/adventure" movie or yes, a spy thriller as opposed to a War Film. It's about as War as the James Bond film The Living Daylights or maybe closer to films like Inglorious Basterds or Indiana Jones. Like one step below something like The Dirty Dozen or Kellys Heroes since they don't really even have 'battle' or large set action scenes depicting warfighting.
I could see Platoon making a lot of Top Fives. I think with all of the inter-character drama and Oliver Stone's moralizing really influenced a whole decade or two or Vietnam War films and propagated certain perceptions of the Vietnam War and its veterans from that point of view. It certainly, IMHO, had the best action/war scenes I feel then many of its contemporaries and a more grounded and fleshed out narrative and distinctive characters then said contemporaries as well. And by contemporaries I mean Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now, Hamburger Hill, Full Metal Jacket, Casualties of War and other Vietnam War flicks that kinda came around that time.
I'd agree. In fact it was in my second post in this very thread!
The Bridge Over the River Kwai might be one of my favorite movies period even though the "war" scenes aren't really prevalent in the film until the end. Lots of people like David Lean's other movie, Lawrence of Arabia, which is really good but I actually liked The Bridge Over the River Kwai alot more and strangely enough I even liked it as a kid. That's when it really impacted me, especially with how the Colonel Nicholson interacted with the Japanese and how he managed to extort and get the Japanese to compromise and yet still was collaborating with them. It really eclipsed the entire secondary storyline involving the gruff American hero leading the British commandos back on their sabotage mission. And the Doctor at the end calling it "Madness. Pure Madness." Beautiful movie. Great characters. Really knocked it out of the park the entire ridiculousness of War and conflict and unlike Oliver Stone or other great directors, didn't even have to throw in egregious rape scenes to sell the anti-war sentiments.
Though I guess David Lean's Lawrence of Arabia did have a sexual abuse scene strongly implied in it...
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Gettysburg is awesome. Not many films these days would try to portray the Confederates as people and make you sad as they die in their droves.
Yes,one of soviet propaganda stories.In reality there were more then 100 with few AT guns,they repelled first tank attack and run after more tanks arrived.Germans never used planes,artillery or infrantry there.
Many of soviets surrender,at least one fought for germans later.
And why 28? becouse 28 manage to widraw.
Only reason why it was remembered was that till that time soviets usually break after first attack.
Considering that soviet had real stories,like with soviet 24infrantry dyvision stopping german 19 panzer dyvision for 5 days on Belarus in 1941,i dunno why they lied.
Maybe they just liked lying
bintananth
behind a desk
I'm amazed All Quiet on The Western Front (1930) hasn't been mentioned.
Feature length talkies were still fairly new and it shows with the hammy acting reminiscent of a silent film. That's the only real flaw.
Feature length talkies were still fairly new and it shows with the hammy acting reminiscent of a silent film. That's the only real flaw.
bintananth
behind a desk
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
Oh, yeah--the de Ruyter Admiral movie is well-done. There's some great performances, there's some pretty good work with boats and battles, and it doesn't skimp-out on the clusterfuck politics of the Netherlands.
Haven't seen the Admiral movie about Kolchak, but have seen it referenced before and have been curious about it.
The ever-growing list of media I don't have enough time to ever start shrinking grows once more...
Haven't seen the Admiral movie about Kolchak, but have seen it referenced before and have been curious about it.
The ever-growing list of media I don't have enough time to ever start shrinking grows once more...
Funny thing about We Were Soldiers. I love that movie as well. So I saw a channel called 'History Buffs' was reviewing the movie and it was mostly positive, but then twenty one minutes in, he started to really criticize some aspects of the movie as being "eye rolling" and that "He was enjoying the movie and then they'd spoil it by going SO OVER THE TOP!" and then stated how there was one scene, the death of Lieutenant Harry Herrick, that he described as being so out of place because it was "so brimming with American Patriotism that it made his eyes roll to the BACK OF HIS HEAD."
We Were Soldiers Page 95 said:
Then two seconds later he states how the movie "slapped in another generic war movie death scene."
We Were Soldiers Page 134 said:
History Buffs: "COME ONNNNN! I know it sounds like I'm nitpicking here but it sounds so cliched! If you have to write a death scene, then do it in an original way! This feels like it's ticking a box of what to include in a war movie!"
He then posted some British comedy video ridiculing the death scenes as over dramatized.
His silly rant starts at 21 minutes in.
It seems pretty obvious that even popular history youtubers like him often likely don't even do the basic research for their videos because if he just read the book that the movie was based off of, he wouldn't of been so trite in legitimately mocking the actually accurately portrayed death scenes of those two characters in the film.
There is another one I will recommend to you once I get back to the barracks. The dude reads the book and is a professor of history. Dude is much better then history buffs.
As much as I ike history buffs, he doesnt do FULL research and just based off the era not the actual book
Reel History is his name
The end is not fully historically accurate with the helicopters being gunships.
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PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
The end is completely bullshit, with American soldiers marching at the Vietnamese in shoulder to shoulder line, like it's 1815 and completely defeating the enemy. In reality, relief force fought their way to them, widened LZ so they could be helivaced and then exfiltrated on foot, getting badly mauled in an ambush.
I watched this silent film about WWI almost a decade ago and really enjoyed it:
en.wikipedia.org
Does that count for this?
Wings (1927 film) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Does that count for this?
bintananth
behind a desk
I'd say it counts.I watched this silent film about WWI almost a decade ago and really enjoyed it:
Wings (1927 film) - Wikipedia
Does that count for this?
There's also Test Pilot (1938):
Test Pilot (film) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The Army let the film crew borrow a Y1B-17 for some of it. The Army did not let them set one of their shiny new prototypes on fire. IIRC they did that to a DC-2.
The bayonet charge is Hollywood. But Landing Zone X-Ray was secured after the third morning. The PAVN suffered too many casualties in its attacks that it withdrew from the area. The Americans could've withdrawn then as in fact Hal Moore's battalion did just that.
But General Westmoreland didn't want to give the impression of bugging out, so he decided to have the remaining two battalions stay there and then march out and make new Landing Zones in unsecured territory instead of being helivac'd for some reason, thus leading to the separate Ambush and Battle at LZ Albany which with LZ XRay composed the total Battle of the Ia Drang Valley.
Oh actually...
There was a video that recently covered it pretty competently as well actually. Only first part was released but I'm sure the second part which you reference is going to be covered in part Two sooner or later.
BF110C4
Well-known member
Classic example of a poorly thought political gesture negatively affecting sound tactical choices basically giving the NVA a face ambush that prevented them from calling the battle a total defeat thanks to the american general desire of not looking weak after a hard won victory.