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strunkenwhite

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What it wasn’t was an insurrection - the idea is utterly absurd. Right wingers, known for gun ownership, trying to overthrow the government with no guns? To believe this, you would have to be entirely detached from reality.
Well, from what I understand (and maybe I've misheard) their argument is that trying to prevent (which failed) or even delay (which succeeded) the counting of the electoral votes through violence amounts to insurrection. So they wouldn't need to hold off the army or force Congress to draft an anti-constitution at gunpoint or even (in the case of the crowd) have planned anything in advance.
 

Blasterbot

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Well, from what I understand (and maybe I've misheard) their argument is that trying to prevent (which failed) or even delay (which succeeded) the counting of the electoral votes through violence amounts to insurrection. So they wouldn't need to hold off the army or force Congress to draft an anti-constitution at gunpoint or even (in the case of the crowd) have planned anything in advance.
if delaying congress through disrupting the floor is insurrection the left still did it more. remember when they confirmed Kavanaugh and their mob was literally trying to beat down the doors to the supreme court? remember that asshat who removed a sign and went through an emergency exit so that congress would have to evacuate and not vote? remember all those mobs that followed republicans around asking them why they hate [INSERT OPPRESED GROUP HERE]. remember when those dem congress critters told their black shirts to follow republicans home? remember who literally every democrat was using the language Fight in all their speeches and now it is one of their key reasons they say orange man was dog whistling to nazis. because only nazi's use such hateful rhetoric.
 

mrttao

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Well, from what I understand (and maybe I've misheard) their argument is that trying to prevent (which failed) or even delay (which succeeded) the counting of the electoral votes through violence amounts to insurrection. So they wouldn't need to hold off the army or force Congress to draft an anti-constitution at gunpoint or even (in the case of the crowd) have planned anything in advance.
Protesting isn't violence.
Violence is violence.
J6 had violence... by police to towards protesters.
 

IndyFront

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if delaying congress through disrupting the floor is insurrection the left still did it more. remember when they confirmed Kavanaugh and their mob was literally trying to beat down the doors to the supreme court? remember that asshat who removed a sign and went through an emergency exit so that congress would have to evacuate and not vote? remember all those mobs that followed republicans around asking them why they hate [INSERT OPPRESED GROUP HERE]. remember when those dem congress critters told their black shirts to follow republicans home? remember who literally every democrat was using the language Fight in all their speeches and now it is one of their key reasons they say orange man was dog whistling to nazis. because only nazi's use such hateful rhetoric.
Don't forget about the Trump deranged Steve Scalise shooter that literally attempted murder in the name of liberalism :p
 

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Trump is continuing to chose swamp creatures to endorse. This reconfirms my belief that though he knows there is a swamp, he's completely incapable of fighting it.

 
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49ersfootball

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Not that I know of but then again I don't particularly keep my ear to the ground on that topic. I definitely hadn't heard Moore's name in that context either. Little to none for Shapiro or Pritzker. On the other hand, the speculation around Newsom seems inescapable and Whitmer is a fairly common counterpoint.
Newsom & Whitmer are super ambitious.
 

Blasterbot

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Newsom & Whitmer are super ambitious.
Newsome is DOA considering he is too straight, white, and male for the party base to allow him. it would be a slap in the face to the african american vote. Whitmer might be more palatable to them as a woman. but since she is also white and straight she doesn't have enough oppression points. they kinda fucked themselves because Kamala is a thing. nobody likes her but there is a portion of the base that if you don't check at least the POC and woman boxes will view it as a slap in the face. and the dems need to hold onto that black urban vote. ambition won't matter here. it would fuck them hard.

it is why we got a repeat of the 2020 ticket. both sides don't have an heir to carry the torch after this. both sides hate the idea of a repeat until they look at the other options on the table. both sides wish the other side had someone else running. both sides have chosen who is gonna be running to represent them. Running Biden again is the least offensive choice to the various portions of the dems. anyone else would lose them larger parts of their current coalition. Trump isn't perfect. but he absolutely is head and shoulders above the also rans. everyone else was either trying to be anti-trump which the base doesn't want or generic store brand trump in which case most prefer the real deal.
 

Blasterbot

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It's to be expected, sadly. I'm not supporting him because I expect he'll make things better; I'm supporting him because those responsible for making things worse will hate it.
I personally expect very small improvement at best. however a small improvement is far better than the big amount of damage I expect from a 2nd Biden term.
 

Cherico

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but that would require republicans to have balls Cherico. and we know they got none of those on capitol hill.

None in office but already you see a new crop of madder angier and a lot more pissed off people coming up. The boys and men who got to enjoy having the left demonize them their entire fucking lives and have every reason to desire pay back.

This will only grow with time.
 

SoliFortissimi

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Been around on certain leftist forums, and I'll never stop being weirded out at how they treat Trump like he's Literally Satan. Nobody has any idea about what his actual policies and ideologies are, they're just projecting upon him every policy and ideology they hate or consider evil.

I think that if you force them to name any five policies Trump implemented, they'll be stumped.
 

Blasterbot

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Been around on certain leftist forums, and I'll never stop being weirded out at how they treat Trump like he's Literally Satan. Nobody has any idea about what his actual policies and ideologies are, they're just projecting upon him every policy and ideology they hate or consider evil.

I think that if you force them to name any five policies Trump implemented, they'll be stumped.
they would probably think he actually tried to do a muslim ban as in based on the religion. and not a ban on immigration from countries our intel agencies tell us are overrun with terrorists. they would probably be able to regurgitate the media spin of some of his policies fine though.
 

mrttao

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Been around on certain leftist forums, and I'll never stop being weirded out at how they treat Trump like he's Literally Satan. Nobody has any idea about what his actual policies and ideologies are, they're just projecting upon him every policy and ideology they hate or consider evil.
which is a shame. because if he really WAS this perfect anti woke candidate it would be awesome.
But he isn't.

There was a recent viral video of a liberal listing all the "Evil things trump will do if elected". And they all sound awesome and good.
But sadly trump won't actually do all those things.
 

SoliFortissimi

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If nothing else, it's an interesting study on decentralised propaganda and how stupid partisanship can make you.

And while it may seem stupid to make the comparison, it reminds me of fandom controversies in the old days of the net......
 

Blasterbot

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If nothing else, it's an interesting study on decentralised propaganda and how stupid partisanship can make you.

And while it may seem stupid to make the comparison, it reminds me of fandom controversies in the old days of the net......
It was something I had to learn the hard way that for all that people like to say that they are logical they generally just default to their feelings and justify it after the fact. that convincing someone to change their mind is incredibly difficult. that no matter how much evidence you put in front of them that they are wrong odds are they are just gonna double and triple down on their position because you attacking their position is telling them they were wrong. something few can accept.
 

SoliFortissimi

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And everyone, including you and me, think they are exempt from this flaw. It's just that damned lizard brain and how it shuts down rational thinking whenever our "perception of reality" is threatened.

It's why it's never a good idea to be dogmatic.
 

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