Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Bacle]

Still stuck in the Cold War as always I see.

I'm sorry, are you suddenly forgetting the CCP poacher fleets gutting the oceans, and the fuckery the Russians have been up to since 2014?

Because the fact is the Cold War never ended on the other side, and the 90s/early 00s were just a half-time between battles as we can now see.

Isolationism doesn't work, the last few years have proved this repeatedly, and no amount of cynical snark or 'US bad, other side's narrative good' will change that the US attempted to move past the Cold War, and the other sides did not.

 

[Agent23]

Here's the thing: in a country that's on a serious war footing, there's generally serious "We are all in this together!" feeling.
People who were being pushed to the side are suddenly being told "Join up, your country needs you!"

Being on the frontline as part of an army unit who have to all work together to survive? That team spirit? It's something some ex-army people here in South Africa tell me that they really miss.

And when you have marginalized and fucked over the most likely source of canon fodder, they will be less likely to fight for what they see as a corrupt, evil, broke government that now depends on them.

When Rome fell to barbarian invaders, there were less than five hundred qualified Centurions. Not because Rome had fewer people but because it had fewer willing to make the sacrifices. And the last Centurions left their shields in the heather and took a barbarian bride.

-John Ringo, The Last Centurion

 

[DarthOne]

I'm sorry, are you suddenly forgetting the CCP poacher fleets gutting the oceans, and the fuckery the Russians have been up to since 2014?

Because the fact is the Cold War never ended on the other side, and the 90s/early 00s were just a half-time between battles as we can now see.

Isolationism doesn't work, the last few years have proved this repeatedly, and no amount of cynical snark or 'US bad, other side's narrative good' will change that the US attempted to move past the Cold War, and the other sides did not.

Yeah and the solution isn't more miliary funding of becoming more of an Empire then we already are. The reason China gets away with shit is because we protect them.

 

[Bacle]

Yeah and the solution isn't more miliary funding of becoming more of an Empire then we already are. The reason China gets away with shit is because we protect them.

I notice you don't consider the Russian angle.

Though given your views on their invasion of Ukraine, I'm not surprised you sidestepped addressing the Russian threat that has presented itself again.

 

[Marduk]

Yeah and the solution isn't more miliary funding of becoming more of an Empire then we already are. The reason China gets away with shit is because we protect them.

Yes, it is.
Protecting them from who? Space aliens?

 

[Agent23]

Yeah and the solution isn't more miliary funding of becoming more of an Empire then we already are. The reason China gets away with shit is because we protect them.

One fun fact, one of the reasons why the average roman was massively fucked over was exactly because of imperial overstretch and because of the growing power of oligarchy and higher taxes to support more and more failed policies, a huge trade diabalance with China and an increasingly out of touch oligarchy.

 

[DarthOne]

I notice you don't consider the Russian angle.

Though given your views on their invasion of Ukraine, I'm not surprised you sidestepped addressing the Russian threat that has presented itself again.

My views on Russia are

'let the Europeans take care of Europe'

'Russia is a paper tiger with nukes'

and 'we literally have proof that the US interfered in Ukraine prior to the war, caused the overthrow of the governments for our own ends and that those ends were so that some corrupt US politicians could get rich'.

 

[DarthOne]

Yes, it is.
Protecting them from who? Space aliens?

Other nations who would probably be more then happy to sink those fishing boats that are hoovering up fish in their waters. And ourselves.

 

[Marduk]

Other nations who would probably be more then happy to sink those fishing boats that are hoovering up fish in their waters.

Do these other nations have names? Is there any evidence that it's USA that's stopping them from acting on that bloodlust?

And ourselves.

And that remaining a threat does take a lot of military funding.

and 'we literally have proof that the US interfered in Ukraine prior to the war, caused the overthrow of the governments for our own ends and that those ends were so that some corrupt US politicians could get rich'.

If it was true, it would be exactly what Russia did in Ukraine for previous decades. Yet neither USA nor EU did a "special military operation" in Ukraine over it.

 

[Zachowon]

Hell the US has not put combat troops on the ground in Ukraine or Israel, yet everyone seems to think this is us trying to defend our administration's friends.

Then you realize burisma is a pro Russian oligarch living in Cyprus who is wanted by Ukraine...

 

[Scottty]

Hell the US has not put combat troops on the ground in Ukraine or Israel, yet everyone seems to think this is us trying to defend our administration's friends.

Then you realize burisma is a pro Russian oligarch living in Cyprus who is wanted by Ukraine...

Zach, if there were US military people in either of those countries, would you know?

 

[Zachowon]

Zach, if there were US military people in either of those countries, would you know?

There are zero combat soldiers of the US in Ukraine.
For Israel, we had some thay were sent iirc via open source, sent to help with hostage recuse if needed as well as protect the embassy.
But not actively engaged in combat.

 

[Scottty]

There are zero combat soldiers of the US in Ukraine.
For Israel, we had some thay were sent iirc via open source, sent to help with hostage recuse if needed as well as protect the embassy.
But not actively engaged in combat.

How do you know for certain?

 

[S'task]

How do you know for certain?

He's an Army Intelligence Analysist. His job is literally to be looking at pictures and data from those frontline areas and provide information to higher ups as to "what's going on in this picture".

In other words, of everyone here, he's actually one of the people most likely to KNOW if there's American boots on the ground... that said, he ALSO would be obligated to not say anything if there was and deny it if there were due to mission security concerns.

In other words, while he's likely to know, he always would have to say there's nobody there... :/

 

[Agent23]

He's an Army Intelligence Analysist. His job is literally to be looking at pictures and data from those frontline areas and provide information to higher ups as to "what's going on in this picture".

In other words, of everyone here, he's actually one of the people most likely to KNOW if there's American boots on the ground... that said, he ALSO would be obligated to not say anything if there was and deny it if there were due to mission security concerns.

In other words, while he's likely to know, he always would have to say there's nobody there... :/

Yeah, it is not like he would lie because otherwise it would be treason/a severe career problem for him.
he has also shown himself to be very much pro-Ukraine, so all in all everything that comes out of him on the subject is at best suspect.

Also, how do you know he is assigned to Ukraine, or that he really is in Army intelligence?

And it is not like the higher ups will advertise to him that there are "combat instructors" over there running the show, or have him assigned to doing stuff that will uncover them.


I mean, this is the internet, women are men, kids are federal agents, women are e-thots trying to demoralize and scam men....

 

[S'task]

Also, how do you know he is assigned to Ukraine, or that he really is in Army intelligence?

I don't know if he's assigned to Ukraine or not, but I have no reason to doubt his posting, considering how long I've known and interacted with him.

 

[Agent23]

I don't know if he's assigned to Ukraine or not, but I have no reason to doubt his posting, considering how long I've known and interacted with him.

I doubt the validity of your personal opinion.

 

[Jormungandr]

One fun fact, one of the reasons why the average roman was massively fucked over was exactly because of imperial overstretch and because of the growing power of oligarchy and higher taxes to support more and more failed policies, a huge trade diabalance with China and an increasingly out of touch oligarchy.

Many Emperors being batshit insane, corrupt, and useless didn't help things either (nor when legions had more loyalty to their generals than the actual Emperor), and the few that were truly good/great? They were pebbles trying to stop an avalanche.

Who was that nutcase who murdered his wife, grieved, found a teenager that looked like her in facial structure one day on the street, castrated him, forced him to act like a woman, and then 'married' him as a replacement wife?

And then there's Nero, who basically set Rome ablaze so he could sing/put on a performance with the flames and screams being his ideal background.

Yeaah.

 

[S'task]

I doubt the validity of your personal opinion.

You do that, makes no difference to me. Others cannot control your wrong opinions as you've demonstrated many times.

 

[Marduk]

How do you know for certain?

If there were many, it would be impossible to hide due to soldiers missing from units.
We know for a fact that certain very untrustworthy and malicious people were trying to make a hoopla of embassy guards and the like to cause political unrest about "boots on the ground", and as such, i distrust these people even more than the establishment elites and i actively refuse to care about their concerns.