DarthOne
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Buy the current/older models if any are available? Or get it fixed, depending on exactly what broke. Or go back to using (gasp!) normal phones!
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>get it fixed
Have you ever fixed modern electronics, or even paid for a repair more complicated than "exchange component x for replacement ordered off ebay"?
Yeah, there would be a lot of going back in general. And by the way you would be paying for it as much as for the new smartphones.
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DarthOne
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And you base this on what? Especially related to normal phones.
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... my knowledge of how these things work.
King Arts
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To be fair the reason they break down so often is because of capitalism and planned obsolescence. The company is not trying to make the best products they are trying to sell the most they can they did studies on how often they should break before people consider it too crappy. If there were regulations to force them to improve standards that problem would be lessened.
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Hahahahaha, no it isn't.
King Arts
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Planned obsolescence - Wikipedia
You are saying this isn’t real, companies take the same pride in their work as craftsmen and make their products as good as they can?
If you seriously think that, you may aswell go try preach your politics to anarkiddies, lol.
The intellectual value of what you presented here is of this caliber.
Go enjoy using non-capitalist electronics from China, North Korea or Cuba.
Some will break as much or more as the capitalist ones, others don't exist
Vyor
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Planned obsolescence - Wikipedia
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You are saying this isn’t real, companies take the same pride in their work as craftsmen and make their products as good as they can?
It's not usually the electronic components that die from that, it's things like cables, pistons, and the body of the item itself.
The problem is that when those electronic components do break you won't be able to get it fixed.
Get some water in it and short a VRM component? Unfixable now. Have a memory chip die? Unfixable. Water damage in general? Unfixable.
No electronics, no fixing things.
King Arts
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Umm what I “preach” is not communism unless you are going full retard and say that the French and EU are communists. I simply think the US should copy some of those European regulations.If you seriously think that, you may aswell go try preach your politics to anarkiddies, lol.
The intellectual value of what you presented here is of this caliber.
Go enjoy using non-capitalist electronics from China, North Korea or Cuba.
Some will break as much or more as the capitalist ones, others don't exist
Then stop sounding like that.
No, they are half-communists and proportionally retarded. This shit is why the French now have to whine about not having their own Silicon Valley.
If you want to get somewhere, you would have to copy countries that did, as the mentioned SK, Taiwan and Japan.
If you are going to copy countries that were never good at something, you are going to get no better than what they have for sure.
In the end, regardless of the stupid regulations, on the level of average citizen Europeans use the very same models of electronics Americans do. Do you love pointless bureaucracy that much?
The French do...
Morphic Tide
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Not quite, it's specifically high-end chips that are obnoxiously sensitive this way. We actually have most of the "low-level" consumer electronics chip supply chain available between Canada, the continental US, and Mexico, but are something like a solid decade behind for "high level" smartphone, PC, and infrastructure worthy chips because the economics of scale are utterly mandatory to keep up.
Anyone familiar with how technical requirements have moved over time will be aware that this is not a Bronze Age Collapse situation of suddenly losing all means of keeping things operational, but the slump in capabilities is still disastrous. Had it happened even five years ago I wouldn't be so confident, but the creep of what "low level" means is now sufficient for the bare essentials of electronics throughout the economy, especially with the vicious kick in the ass to optimize your fucking code suddenly losing a decade of transistor-cramming would give.
Morphic Tide
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I do not know the details (the "10 years behind" was admittedly an ass-pull, but we haven't had any structural changes for quite a few hardware generations), I just know quite certainly we have some amount that cannot be "high level" between my older brother working at one such place and the thoroughly-obscene cost of the transistor count rat-race. And I can't fish up the data because the search engines spit out a wall of investment bullshit.
The stuff to make those simple ones need thr big fancy ones
Morphic Tide
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Not to anywhere near the extent as the obscene money-pit of the treadmill to get to the "big fancy ones", and you don't need the R&D budget since you're just rebuilding what's already invented nor the continuous stream of retoolings for the latest iterative improvements because you're leapfrogging along a path already paved. 2010 once made its 2011 successor, but might make the jump to 2014 capabilities when you backport 2023 understanding.
A lot of the problems with chips can be avoided in the long run with hardier, more robust tech, and keeping chips as simple as possible, instead of trying to continuously up the count on switches/transistors.
There is a lot to be said for tech that cannot be hacked and also is more robust against things like EMPs/Carrington events.
Diesel punk/steampunk/vacuum tube/non-networked type tech has some very definite advantages in some areas for both cybersecurity and just ease of production, and doesn't require super advanced foundries to make.
There is a lot to be said for tech that cannot be hacked and also is more robust against things like EMPs/Carrington events.
Diesel punk/steampunk/vacuum tube/non-networked type tech has some very definite advantages in some areas for both cybersecurity and just ease of production, and doesn't require super advanced foundries to make.
Vyor
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uhhh, no. More advanced fabrication methods does not harm longevity. Trying to each out each and every clock cycle the process can give does that purely because of voltage thresholds.
So... silicon chips. Those are already immune to those. Everything around them isn't, but those are.
No, no it fucking doesn't. There's a reason we swapped away from that shit.