Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Bassoe]

Taiwan. I know. We all know. The point being that therefore we should've been treating building our own microchip foundries in our own country as a greater matter of national security than preparing to fight the Chinese over Taiwan's microchip foundries.

 

[Zachowon]

Name the three biggest suppliers of microchips in the world and where they are based.

Taiwan, and not for microchips but major players in tech are South Korea and Japan.
The US is trying to make the chips domestic though

 

[Marduk]

All they'd have needed to do to avoid the complete destruction of their country would've been to say they wouldn't join NATO.

Enjoy your "everything bad in the world is the West's fault and every other power is a victim of it" alternate reality.
Meanwhile in our reality:

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Russia was offered neutrality from NATO many times, but they aren't really interested in making any concessions for it.
Russia has no need for neutrality, but it has uses for it. Namely, neutral countries on Russia's border are the countries Russia can feel free to encroach on. Of course Russia likes having those opportunities.

 

[Vyor]

Taiwan. I know. We all know. The point being that therefore we should've been treating building our own microchip foundries in our own country as a greater matter of national security than preparing to fight the Chinese over Taiwan's microchip foundries.

Taiwan, and not for microchips but major players in tech are South Korea and Japan.
The US is trying to make the chips domestic though

By manufacturing volume it goes as follows:
TSMC
Samsung
SK Hynix
Micron
Intel

TSMC is based in taiwan and has all cutting edge fabrication plants there
Samsung and SK Hynix are South Korea based and of the two Hynix has more fabs outside of SK; even then most are still in asia.
Micron is idaho based but most of its fabs are out of the USA
Intel is american but it's advanced fabs are in israel primarily...

Given 2 decades we could, maybe, cut our need for foreign chips in half. Maybe. And that assumes we every company listed here to put advanced fabs here because they all make different shit.

And even if 100% of their manufacturing moved to the USA... we'd still need foreign chips because none of them manufacture or design VRMs: which are needed for power conversion.

 

[Marduk]

By manufacturing volume it goes as follows:
TSMC
Samsung
SK Hynix
Micron
Intel

TSMC is based in taiwan and has all cutting edge fabrication plants there
Samsung and SK Hynix are South Korea based and of the two Hynix has more fabs outside of SK; even then most are still in asia.
Micron is idaho based but most of its fabs are out of the USA
Intel is american but it's advanced fabs are in israel primarily...

Given 2 decades we could, maybe, cut our need for foreign chips in half. Maybe. And that assumes we every company listed here to put advanced fabs here because they all make different shit.

And even if 100% of their manufacturing moved to the USA... we'd still need foreign chips because none of them manufacture or design VRMs: which are needed for power conversion.

And for even a chance of that happening you would first need a major reversal of various green and socialist policies that create an unfriendly climate for business, especially such long term investments and complicated supply chains.

 

[Zachowon]

By manufacturing volume it goes as follows:
TSMC
Samsung
SK Hynix
Micron
Intel

TSMC is based in taiwan and has all cutting edge fabrication plants there
Samsung and SK Hynix are South Korea based and of the two Hynix has more fabs outside of SK; even then most are still in asia.
Micron is idaho based but most of its fabs are out of the USA
Intel is american but it's advanced fabs are in israel primarily...

Given 2 decades we could, maybe, cut our need for foreign chips in half. Maybe. And that assumes we every company listed here to put advanced fabs here because they all make different shit.

And even if 100% of their manufacturing moved to the USA... we'd still need foreign chips because none of them manufacture or design VRMs: which are needed for power conversion.

I actually didn't know about the Korean ones I was guessing.
But yeah, the thing is can the people of the US stand a war over microchips?

 

[Tiamat]

Just saying the thread title "US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism" feels an awful lot like clickbait.

Reading through this thread though is sad and hilarious at the same time. Maybe more sad than hilarious though.

I just find it odd, unless I'm wrong of course, Zach's the only one in this thread who actually is actively serving and wearing the damn uniform, compared to the rest of the keyboard warriors.

But hey, just my two cents.

 

[Marduk]

I actually didn't know about the Korean ones I was guessing.
But yeah, the thing is can the people of the US stand a war over microchips?

Ask not if they can stand a war over microchips, ask if they prefer to stand not having microchips with all the personal and social economic consequences it would imply.

 

[Zachowon]

Ask not if they can stand a war over microchips, ask if they prefer to stand not having microchips with all the personal and social economic consequences it would imply.

Me and a Fox chief were talking about this but I will bring this aspect up but great point.
The population would agree

 

[Tiamat]

No microchips? No smartphones.

Dude, most of the West would have their numero uno drug....er, tool for communication and entertainment taken from them. Ask how that would go down...?

 

[Cherico]

No microchips? No smartphones.

Dude, most of the West would have their numero uno drug....er, tool for communication and entertainment taken from them. Ask how that would go down...?

Realistically people do with out new phones for a few years while new plants are created closer to home and logistics are simplifyed.

The us does have chip manufacturers, we do have that skill set and plants for the cheaper chips can be created in Latin America.

A painful transition but not the end of the world. Get used to your refrigerator not having a computer though.

 

[Marduk]

Realistically people do with out new phones for a few years while new plants are created closer to home and logistics are simplifyed.

The us does have chip manufacturers, we do have that skill set and plants for the cheaper chips can be created in Latin America.

A painful transition but not the end of the world. Get used to your refrigerator not having a computer though.

Latin America can't do it for you even if it wanted to (and Brazil did want to, for themselves). Look at the countries doing it now. Japan, SK, Taiwan. What do they have in common with Latin America?

Absolutely fucking nothing.
Even Europe doesn't have much of a chip industry for a reason.

To do it you would need to:
1. Switch the education system to a super-meritocratic STEM focus.
2. Cut half the labor and business regulations.
3. Throw out half of the anti-monopoly regulations.
4. Crush the green movement.
5. Wait 20-30 years after doing all of the above.
Not the worst political program even if it wasn't to be done under thread of an economic disaster, but near impossibility to do in the current political climate, nevermind in the process of an ongoing economic disaster once the supply does get cut off.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Realistically people do with out new phones for a few years while new plants are created closer to home and logistics are simplifyed.

The us does have chip manufacturers, we do have that skill set and plants for the cheaper chips can be created in Latin America.

A painful transition but not the end of the world. Get used to your refrigerator not having a computer though.

Actually, a refrigerator not having a computer sounds a hell lot better. Too many SMART things to handle, tbh.

Crushing the Green movement on the other hand, you would have to first crush the Malthusians that have infected academia. And I don’t just mean McCarthyite style witch hunts. I’m talking systematic physical removal and book burnings combined. It isn’t easy tackling them. Find the Young Global Leaders program in your place of residence, and you’ll know who NOT to trust.

 

[Vyor]

Actually, a refrigerator not having a computer sounds a hell lot better. Too many SMART things to handle, tbh.

I actually didn't know about the Korean ones I was guessing.
But yeah, the thing is can the people of the US stand a war over microchips?

Let's see what we'd no longer get new things of:
Phones, Cars, GPUs, Laptops, Anything that uses capacitors, Medical Equipment, F35s, F22s, Boats, Planes, Trains, GPS, AC units, computers in general, sensing equipment, optics, radar- need I go on?

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Let's see what we'd no longer get new things of:
Phones, Cars, GPUs, Laptops, Anything that uses capacitors, Medical Equipment, F35s, F22s, Boats, Planes, Trains, GPS, AC units, computers in general, sensing equipment, optics, radar- need I go on?

Pretty much every equipment needed by the military would definitely be on the list. Ditto with the equipment used for automated manufacturing as well. It's like the microchips are the life blood of the entire global economy.

 

[Zachowon]

Every company in the US uses a computer in some way.

 

[StormEagle]

Just saying the thread title "US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism" feels an awful lot like clickbait.

Reading through this thread though is sad and hilarious at the same time. Maybe more sad than hilarious though.

I just find it odd, unless I'm wrong of course, Zach's the only one in this thread who actually is actively serving and wearing the damn uniform, compared to the rest of the keyboard warriors.

But hey, just my two cents.

Zach is also an open warmonger, who actively wishes for WW3 to happen so he can have his land war in Asia.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Zach is also an open warmonger, who actively wishes for WW3 to happen so he can have his land war in Asia.

And he wouldn’t care how many people in Asia would die in the future land war that he craves. For what purpose would a land war in Asia be beneficial? So the neoconservative untermenschen can gloat at killing lots of brownies?

 

[Zachowon]

Who thinks I want a land war in Asia?
I only want a war in defense of Taiwan.
That just happens to spill into India and Vietnam

 

[DarthOne]

Realistically people do with out new phones for a few years while new plants are created closer to home and logistics are simplifyed.

The us does have chip manufacturers, we do have that skill set and plants for the cheaper chips can be created in Latin America.

A painful transition but not the end of the world. Get used to your refrigerator not having a computer though.

I am okay with this.