I will admit that my garrison time is two decades out of date, but we OSHA in our Motorpools at least bi-annually.
Mostly for HAZMAT handling.
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Mostly for HAZMAT handling.
HAZMAT is the only thing that needs OSHA.
Seems to me that one issue with OSHA is that a common saying in the first weeks is: "We are not supposed to do this, but here's how-".
Again, this shows you know nothing about the Military and I find it rich that you think you presume to educate me on a subject I'm intimately familiar with. NCOs are the backbone by which missions get done. We are an NCO dependent force. From ships, planes and to front line troops. The Fudge Factory can issue directives all they want, but if the NCOs don't implement them then the whole house of cards implode. General MIley is a complete disgrace to the uniform. I've never seen anyone so blatantly betray a US President and keep his career. I'm sure that is to be rectified immediately once Trump resumes office. That is...unless Miley retires, which I'm almost certain he will.
Are you kidding me? You're using that? Where ever soldiers are stationed they spend their money. most of the German populace didn't want us to close down our bases due to the positive effect we've had on the local economies. I didn't mention it as it isn't relevant to a political argument or one concerning the Deep state. Its just an effect of having a large concentration of people in one place, who have money, and spend it.
There is some cross purpose symbiosis, I will readily admit. But its far more complex than that. Far more than you are willing to admit as it would undercut your argument. Most soldiers don't have love for the Intelligence Community. At least in my experience. Sure higher level units (Special Forces) are constantly working with them, but mainline troops cant stand them for the most part. Hell, even our own S2 sections get more than bit suspicion and grief. Just ask @Zachowon .
Simply put, soldiers are not mindless drones. And you thinking of them in such fashion is beyond disingenuous.
I disagree. Though we are teetering on the edge. When Biden tries to dissolve Congress or the Senate and arrests the Supreme Court, then you can say we've gone full banana republic. As of now we're inching closer. Joe is issuing Executive order after executive order and he's getting blocked left and right in congress. Yes, he has this one legislative win, but that came only after 2 years and it may cost them everything from all the pushback he's getting. He wont win in 2024. But winning is only part of the equation. Republicans need to fight and fight hard. And that means investigations and criminal prosecutions.
Oh plenty of people hate the MI people.
Either because thier S2 sucks or they know nothing about us.
And speaking of NCOs, finished BLC and it actually teaches you how to be a leader, not just a soldier.
Teaches you to think not just follow orders
I'm not presuming to educate you, but you overstate the influence of the NCO's on their ability to affect the political level issues/decisions, which is where the problems are and where the rot is the worst.
A great NCO corp cannot make up for the level of corruption, political bias, and open/flagrant disregard for the Constitution, as we have seen from the brass over the past few years.
And this is so much more than just Milley; he is a symptom, not a cause, and let's not pretend he's alone in how he thinks among the US brass. Even freaking Mattis showed he cared more about appeasing people suffering TDS than he did about helping Trump actually accomplish anything.
Also, you acting like Trump is shoe-in and like the DoD brass will actually listen to him if he attempts to fire them. Unless there is a purge of the State Dept and FBI first, purging the rot from the DoD brass will be next to impossible. No amount of NCo's attempting damage control on the unit level is going to change the trajectory of the US political landscape or DoD policy.
Yes, that footprint does have benefits to local economies; towns can die if a base closes down.
The DoD footprint domestically is plenty large, and plenty influentual, and that translates into political pull as well. Just think of appropriations fights over base closures and getting parts plants; that is a fight that is very political.
I'm not calling them mindless drones, but I am saying NCOs/Enlisted do not have much political pull or leverage against the powers in DC, if the DoD decides to force policy from on high. They can mitigate the worst bits at the unit level, if they are lucky, but they cannot force a policy reversal without sympathetic officers and politicians assisting them, and there are not many of those in DC with real power anymore.
At best, the enlisted ranks can try to lodge court cases against bad policy, which is just as much a slow roll, long odds play as suites against bad policy in the civie world when the leadership wants it to happen.
As for the intel groups and MIC; grunts may not like them, but DC does, and all we have to do is look at shit like Epstein's connections to DC/intel community to see how bad the rot has become. Sigint grunts and the NRO are not the movers and shakers that can control and destroy politicians the way their compatriots in the FBI and CIA do, so good behavior by Sigint grunts and the NRO won't fix the rot in the intel community or fix it's perception. This is just the like 'Back the Blue' fetish the Right has, while the same Blue line effectively takes marching orders from the same people in DC and academia who hate the Right and weaponize intel agencies against it.
You haven't seen some of the polls since the student debt forgiveness was floated; it's halved Biden's disapproval among independents, and the Right's insistence of focusing on Trump for 2024 is not playing that well with moderates.
Ben Shapiro had a good insight on this; American's vote AGAINST things, not for them.
Primary enthusiasm amongst the GOP base should not be misconstrued for being great general election material, assuming the Dems and RINO's don't just brush rigging and election fraud under the rug again.
Making 2022 about revenge for Trump/the Right, instead of about how bad Biden is doing and all his fuck ups, is not going to help the Right among the undecideds, even if it plays great to choir.
Which is why the Raid on MAL shows very clearly we are a banana republic, not what you are worried about. Biden won't dissolve the Senate or arrest SCOTUS, he'll just add more seats to SCOTUS/ignore ruling Andrew Jackson style, and redo voting laws to make it much harder for the GOP to ensure the integrity of the electoral process. The Dems need the veneer of legitimacy to keep the sheep in line, and know how to offer the right gibs to get people out for them, while the GOP's best hope is to try to turn Hispanics and African Americans against the Dems in the long run, while banking on dislike of Biden to hurt the Dems in the short run.
And unfortunately so many people have utterly bought the idea a Red Wave is assured, just because Biden is so bad they feel, that they don't take much time to get outside the Right Wing bubbles and see how things like student loan forgiveness or the MAL bullshit are playing among those who mostly consume mass media and buy the lies.
All your hopes of unfucking the country seem to be resting on a 2022 Red Wave and Trump winning in 2024, while the Dems have mulitple pathways to either neuter or withstand the plans the GOP loves to broadcast as 'we're so much more rational and moral than the Dems' to a populaces that cares less about rationality and morality than stock prices, gas prices, and what the celebs and talking heads think.
I'm not so naive as to put any money on a Red Wave or Trump 2nd term out of hopeful aspirations and political cycle assumptions. Which is why I am not operating on the assumption Milley is going anywhere anytime soon, unless to be replaced by someone even more woke and loyal to the people behind Biden.
Trump isn't a be all, end all solution. I have faith that his presidency will be the start of a systemic purge of the corrupt element. We're already seeing it on the State and Local levels as Democrats and Rinos are being removed, enmass. And Fauchi is already gone and FBI whistleblowers are FINALLY starting to come forward. 4 Years of Trump, 8 years of DeSantis, Congressional investigations and some actual criminal prosecutions. Now the Republicans have removed most of the Rino element and they HAVE to fight. Or what Biden and the FBI started will continue and get worse. Cause now its a matter of survival, and so far these new Republicans are showing spine, so I'm optimistic.
As for the Military, where do you think a good chunk of them come from? The very people that Biden and the Dems hate. I think you're far too willing to believe the worst of the Military when they've not moved in favor of Biden, nor Trump. This is a political battle and the Military seems content to stay out of it, as they should. Aside from Miley running his mouth. Stop acting like a Liberal leftist who is eager to demonize the Military...until they actually do something to warrant scrutiny.
Whose polls exactly? Polls in Liberal controlled cities where Democrats are oversampled? Dude, seriously, give me a break. I stopped trusting Polls after 2016 and definitely at 2020. None of the Polls favored the Republicans to win as well as they have in recent special elections. They're blowing the Dems and Rinos out of the Water. Don't trust Polls. And while I like Ben Shapiro, he's a bit more NeoCon hawkish than I'd like.
Dude...Maralago was a colossal blunder for the Deep state. It has literally backfired in their face. It energized Trumps base, cleared the field of Primary challengers and even has Democrats balking at what they did. 2022 and 2024 isn't about revenge, its about restoring the Republic and rule of law. New laws are on the books and election police are ready to ensure the 2020 election doesn't happen again.
You may not be so naïve to put your money and faith in a red wave. Fine. Whatever. But stop with the blackpilled doomerism already.
Because where you see doom and gloom, I see hope in people rising up. We'll see which one of us proves correct in the coming days.
So you want to gloss over brass ignoring Trump's orders in Syria, the Vindman affairs with the NCS and the Zelensky phone call, the whole affair with Epstein and the intel/DC connections, and the many, many other acts of sabotage towards Trump that originated in the brass and their sympathetic brown-nosers is how you want to play this.
Sure, grunts may have loved Trump, of that I have no doubt; grunts don't make policy that affects national level politics, but the Pentagon and DC do.
The polls I've seen were in passing on FB and Discord.
Best example of the someone voicing similar concerns on the Right is Ted Cruz:
I know it grates against conservative values, particularly fiscal conservatives, but 'gibs' fucking work, and 10k in student debt forgiveness is going to appeal to a lot of the youth, even if it pisses off Boomers, people who have already paid off their college debt, people who never went to college, and fiscal conservatives.
No politician has ever hurt their electoral chances by promising people more money in the short term, which is what most people are concerned with. The GOP does it with tax breaks, the Dems do it with 'social welfare' measures; both are appealing to the desire for more money in people's pocket, just from different angles.
And the fact is there are more people with outstanding college debt than there are people who paid it off already, and more people struggling to pay it off than paying it off comfortably.
It only seems like a 'blunder' if you already buy that the FBI in DC is mostly corrupt, know about the involvement of the judge with Epstein, know about the documents Obama and Bush took for their presidential library's that should have gotten the same treatment, and are inclined to believe Trump's words at face value.
Outside the GOP base, many of those assumptions don't hold true.
Just because something plays well in a GOP primary does not equal general election success, even assuming it is completely secure. And we both know the real battleground that will matter is the inevitable court cases that will come after election day, when shady shit is found to have happened, because GOP hired election cops aren't a fool proof measure as long as the voting machines have any sort of internet access ability.
And what I am dealing in is modern political and social reality as seen from outside the hardcore GOP base, where GOP base enthusiasm is not a relevant factor. The GOP had a pretty good set up against Biden for a while, but underestimated how much Roe would motivate people to spite the GOP or say it needs to move away from 'social issues' (even among Boomer-cons who had grown to accept RvW as settled law), and the MAL raid+plus media spin, and now the loan forgiveness, cut some steam from the GOP.
Look, you don't believe me, then go look at Rocinante's political predictions since Trump announced his run in 2016 and since everything happened in 2019/2020. Out of all the people on this site, his political predictions and analysis has been right more often than pretty much anyone else for a while now.
I hope your right and a Red Wave kicks the Dems out of Congressional power for a few years and makes it easier to get Trump re-elected. However, people cannot and should not make plans around hopeful aspirations, and should be very prepared for things to go badly and the Dems to retain their grip on power till 2024, and not bank on getting Trump back in then either.
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The student loan thing is backfiring......
And the military at the lower levels have always been more moderate and everything. Some may not be, but all these policies that move down the line? Enlisted dint really care...
Officers can only do so much when NCOs are the more respected
And the military at the lower levels have always been more moderate and everything. Some may not be, but all these policies that move down the line? Enlisted dint really care...
Officers can only do so much when NCOs are the more respected
Hence the lowering of standards, forcing odious crap like the clotshot and worse that forces NCO's and other crimethinkers out and intentionally weakens those objective foundations to be replaced with the political animals they want who will happily and eagerly turn their guns against the public.
Add in the fact that the Pentagon, the Dems in Congress and all the way to Hairsniffer Joe himself (although he's so deep in dementia that he forgets and has to be constantly 'corrected' by the true leaders of the country, his staff and their patrons') are so infiltrated and riven by the Chicoms that it would not surprise me in the least if Xi had an actual red button on his desk that would destroy or otherwise cripple a large portion of our equipment if / when he decides to 'end the Taiwan province's rebellion.'
I mean our response to the Fall of Kabul and the killing of dozens of people on the Airport tarmac was to... blow up an aid worker and his family... biggest disgrace since Hillarity and her crew abandoned our people at the Benghazi Embassy to their fate... but since no one covered it for the obvious reason of it being embarrassing and disgraceful it falls out of the public conscience in favor of free money for gender studies idiots.
Only silver lining to all this is that the woke losers the Pentagon wants to stuff our military full of will probably be about as unsuitable and toxic as the AWOL formerly known as Bradley Manning... I doubt filling the military with the likes of them will make them any better than they are individually.
NCOs have a lot of power and even left leaning ones I met are hating what the officers are pushing.
The NCOs are what is stopping the military from being completely gone.
Hell, the officers currently in charge are nearing thier end and in time the ones who are tired of the shit will get in the position..
Look, everyone js always looking in from outside. As someone inside, and having been to multiple units, talked with hundreds of people.
The vast majority are moderate or right leaning.
We aent some Uber programed leftist bots
Just wait until the lefties start fucking you guys on pay because that is coming
Oh I know.
Our SGM has straight up said that there isn't anything he can do.
Congress won't adjust our salaries more then4 percent next year. When inflation is at roughly 8 percent
The One Char
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Remember, you can have competent army, or you can have a politically convenient army. All those armies that massacred innocents did so because they disarmed the population first.
The One Char
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Those are the people the Dems are trying to replace, Zach.
They can't though.
The people they are trying to get to join, DONT want to join. Never have and never will.
A few may but never enough to make a diffrence
DarthOne
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That’s what PMC’s will be for; them and soldiers who don’t care beyond a paycheck or think that the Other Side is worse.
And again, who is gonna work for these PMCs?
How many leftists are actually going to get the training and skills needed for PMCs?
Do none of yall understand that the vast majority of people who do the grunt work, as in the actual fighting, are some of the ones that would never be a leftist until sometime after?
No leftist joins the Army looking to put down the fash, and goes infantry.
DarthOne
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Who says that the PMCs will be Leftists and not just people who are out to make money? Just like the security guards that the left/deeps state use.