Arch Dornan
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It's the oldest trick in the book. Service for a change in status financially or for citizenship. From a certain point of view it's a good deal provided it stays that way.
Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism
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No, you do not know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to the Military, so please just stop while you're ahead. Seals has the right of it. Eisenhower did warn of the Military industrial complex but not the Military itself. Keeping a strong Military has ALWAYs been the plan. What Eisenhower warned was of political interests to keep a state of war going for war profiteering. In this he was only half right.
Vyor
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Department of Energy?
Them too
The United States Military and to an extent the DOD get the credit they deserve for the absolutely Herculean tasks they perform on a daily basis. Domestically the DODs only real footprint is in recruitment and Hollywood movies. That's it. They're not sending troops to peoples houses or business to fuck with them. Direct your anger where its due. That is the intelligence community that is actively backing a corrupt government who are hellbent on going full on 3rd world banana republic.
The non DoD IC
These same people forget that on the open ocean when you are in a life and death situation it is the Coast Guard and the Navy that will rescue you. And during Natural Disasters. it is the Army, Air Force and the various National Guards that often come to the rescue. Funny how all of that gets memory holed by people that blindly hate the government.
In normal times, I think OSHA would count as one of the more useful ones; industrial accidents can cause a lot of damage and death.
Also the National Weather Service.
No, Eisenhower was proved full correct in his warning, as we saw with Iraq and A-stan. Plus Vietnam; Lady Bird Johnson was a big investor in Bell Helicopter, which made bank off Veitnam, and she was far from the only politically connected person to do so.
Also, I know plenty about the military. Maybe not as much as people who've served on this forum, but I also know most military members on this forum were Enlisted/NCO ranks, not officers.
Enlisted/NCO's don't make overarching military policy, the brass/Joint Chief's do at the direction of POTUS (if they aren't pulling a Milley and trying to sabotage their own C-I-C), and those are political offices more than anything, who do treat the military as both a political branch and political party on par with the 3 civie branches.
So you want to ignore the DoD's footprint in local economies near bases, the large amount of benefits the DoD gets that civies don't (VA loans/military discounts), and the literal acreage that military bases have control over (sometimes expanding in ways that destroy other businesses/family farms, or hem in cities like Anchorage because they take up so much land near town).
Also, the military, military-industrial complex, and intel agencies aren't separate entities; they all have a symboitic/incestious relationship that means there is little meaningful distinction between them, politically or socio-economically.
And we aren't 'going banana republic', we've already reached that point after what happened in 2020 and since. We are a nuclear armed banana republic that controls a massive amount of territory and resources, but we're a banana republic none-the-less. And that is unlikely to change without a top-down and bottom-up reformation of the US political system and cultural landscape.
It's not 'blind hatred', it's 'well informed disappointment that has become contempt'.
Because none of what you cited changes that the military leadership and policy makers are in damn near lockstep with the Wokies now, have shown (via Milley and Mattis) that the military does consider itself a political machine as much as anything, and the intel agencies seem to feel they are the real power brokers in the US who are above the law in every way that matters.
Then again you've got a track record of rather...optimistic political predictions which rarely pan out, so I'm not surprised you want to gloss over the political aspect of what is going on.
Ike also built the fuxking highway system to make sure we could deploy on US Soil effectively in a combat situation.
Dude knew what he was saying about focusing on the MIC not the Standing military bit.
Also, the MIC has its advantages. Like without it we would never have the F15 because we wouldn't have seen the need to compete with the MIG 25
Dude knew what he was saying about focusing on the MIC not the Standing military bit.
Also, the MIC has its advantages. Like without it we would never have the F15 because we wouldn't have seen the need to compete with the MIG 25
Building the interstate system is...that is less an MIC endevour and more a full on national pride/unity project (that we should be legit proud of, even now) that had some definite advantages in moving troops around inside the country. I drove through Ike's home town going to and from a wedding over the weekend, and saw the first few miles ever laid out.
It's is part of why I think that the Corp of Engineers are pretty much the most essential part of the military, from a civie point of view.
Breaking shit is a lot easier than building it, and the ACE does the work/maintiance for many of the US's biggest state-side projects. ACE is actually probably the best argument for a standing military, because it has direct and immediate benefits and effects on the US civie populace, and has a work ethic that means it's more dependable than private contractors for big civil projects.
The ACE will get things done, and generally faster then civ side.
They also definitely dint always follow OSHA.
Yep.
When levee's break or volcano's go off, it's usually ACE approved plans that get implemented to fix the problems/damage, after teh NG does the initial rescue/recovery work.
Plus, well, anything requiring a Environmental Impact Statement ends up is some ACE office before final approval is given.
Well yeah.
That is just how it happens, and how integral to the US they are as a whole
Simonbob
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OSHA is not a good thing, I find.
It's pretty much split down the middle, the OSHA rules. They're either so obvious you don't care, or they're so wrong that it's obvious they were written by somebody who's got no idea what they're doing.
Either way, they don't do what they promise. They don't save lives, except by shutting the industry down.
None of this has much, if anything, to do with the US military. And, if it does, that's bad. Fighting requires risk, as does building anything.
It's pretty much split down the middle, the OSHA rules. They're either so obvious you don't care, or they're so wrong that it's obvious they were written by somebody who's got no idea what they're doing.
Either way, they don't do what they promise. They don't save lives, except by shutting the industry down.
None of this has much, if anything, to do with the US military. And, if it does, that's bad. Fighting requires risk, as does building anything.
OSHA has a lot to say with how bases operate in the states.
Does it though?
Come on Monk, you were in the Army. How many times do new safety briefs come about because if what we do
General rule about OSHA is that it exists to restrain the behavior of the dumbest tenth of the population, and every stupid rule exists because of that.
Yep OSHA is necessary. Because I can write a book on all the stupid things I have seen people try to do at every job I have ever worked. There will always be a chunk of the population that is dumb as hell.
To be fair though we should leave an exception to people who just started construction or a new job. Because it does take time to learn how to do skilled labor. some times people do stupid stuff because they don't have the experience or training yet.
I nearly got hit by nails from a nailgun......... twice in the same week. They need to Get Gud quick.