Ukraine vs Fallout Pre-War America

[Scooby Doo]

Probably autocannon level rounds IMHO. Power Armored troops could be killed by Wasteland randos... and you saw the random encounters where a bunch of leather jacket clad bandits are trying to swarm like two or three Brotherhood Paladins in Fallout 1 and dying like lemmings... but eventually the critical hits for 0,1,2,3 damage might eventually whittle them down. But I think it's comfortable to say, at least IMHO, that Power Armor is meant to be extremely resilient to small arms.

If you could take out Power Armor with assault rifles, then I don't see how the NCR would've needed ten to one odds to take Helios One, or how T-51 Power Armor was somehow such a game changer in the Sino-American War that the Yangtze Campaign had entire Chinese units surrendering to Power Armor troopers because they were utterly pwning Chinese Infantry and TANK formations on their own home ground.

To be sure, the strength enhancements of the Power Armor are great too, being able to carry crew served weapons as regular small arms, but being nigh invulnerable to anything but direct hits from dedicated anti-armor weaponry helps as well. Makes you resilient not just to the big killers of small arms and machine guns, but the even bigger killers which can be mortars and artillery shrapnel and the like.

If 12.7mm can reliably penetrate Power Armor, then the Fallout Americans might have a worse time of it. The War in the Donbass since 2014 actually created a very considerable Corps of veteran snipers who often used anti-material rifles a lot. It'd be like a real life version of those NPC Versus videos of NCR Veteran Rangers versus Brotherhood Paladins... which typically ends poorly for the latter.

Ah but FO Troops should have a smoke screen equivalent as we see something like that in the offical art

So just drop some smoke and it'd be difficult for even good sniper to tag them.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Ah but FO Troops should have a smoke screen equivalent as we see something like that in the offical art

So just drop some smoke and it'd be difficult for even good sniper to tag them.

I mean its trench warfare in the Donbass from 2014 through 2022, there was a lot of cover and concealment there too. Smoke bombs aren't really anything game changing I feel since smoke is already a thing in the modern battlefield.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I mean its trench warfare in the Donbass from 2014 through 2022, there was a lot of cover and concealment there too. Smoke bombs aren't really anything game changing I feel since smoke is already a thing in the modern battlefield.

I don't think smoke was used very often though, no references of them being used. Smoke Grenades should still be more useful though because it'll make the enemies less accurate in getting direct hits.

A graze with a high caliber will down regular infantry but probably deflect off power armor

 

[Agent23]

Ah but FO Troops should have a smoke screen equivalent as we see something like that in the offical art

So just drop some smoke and it'd be difficult for even good sniper to tag them.

Or you can, you know, equip eyebots with mini nukes and stealthboys and send them in to clear any sniper units...

 

[Husky_Khan]

I don't think smoke was used very often though, no references of them being used. Smoke Grenades should still be more useful though because it'll make the enemies less accurate in getting direct hits.

A graze with a high caliber will down regular infantry but probably deflect off power armor

I think smoke being used is a pretty general thing in warfare that it's not particularly noticeable. And while it's obvious that smoke would make things generally less accurate, just mentioning it like it's a particularly notable feature or advantage of the Fallout Americans just seems kinda... Meh ultimately. I mean I guess it's fine in that its mentioned that they have smoke grenades since it's not an explicit thing mentioned in lore, but I don't see its presence as being particularly notable beyond the trivia since it's a pretty common feature anyways in the conflict ya know?

Plus I mean there is thermal and other optics that Ukrainian snipers potentially have access to that is designed to see through the smoke and haze and other concealment on the battlefield.

Or you can, you know, equip eyebots with mini nukes and stealthboys and send them in to clear any sniper units...

Inventory game mechanics aside, a Mini Nuke is larger then an Eyebot and I think a Stealth Boy is as well. Plus the Eyebot has no way of activating said stealth boy (or said Mini Nuke AFAIK). And using any combination of the three items to take out sniper teams before they somehow take a shot at you and hence likely knowing where they are sounds like backwards logic. Especially since most Stealth Boys have about a thirty second battery life IIRC.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think smoke being used is a pretty general thing in warfare that it's not particularly noticeable. And while it's obvious that smoke would make things generally less accurate, just mentioning it like it's a particularly notable feature or advantage of the Fallout Americans just seems kinda... Meh ultimately. I mean I guess it's fine in that its mentioned that they have smoke grenades since it's not an explicit thing mentioned in lore, but I don't see its presence as being particularly notable beyond the trivia since it's a pretty common feature anyways in the conflict ya know?

Plus I mean there is thermal and other optics that Ukrainian snipers potentially have access to that is designed to see through the smoke and haze and other concealment on the battlefield.



Inventory game mechanics aside, a Mini Nuke is larger then an Eyebot and I think a Stealth Boy is as well. Plus the Eyebot has no way of activating said stealth boy (or said Mini Nuke AFAIK). And using any combination of the three items to take out sniper teams before they somehow take a shot at you and hence likely knowing where they are sounds like backwards logic. Especially since most Stealth Boys have about a thirty second battery life IIRC.

Irc The Fallout RPG says that the cloaks for modified robots does not have the limited supply.


All you have to do is attach C4 to the cloaked robots and remote detonate it tbh

 

[Husky_Khan]

Irc The Fallout RPG says that the cloaks for modified robots does not have the limited supply.

All you have to do is attach C4 to the cloaked robots and remote detonate it tbh

For Eyebots?

I honestly think it'd be a novel use of them, but a few months into the war, similar things will be done with even more maneuverable if less stealthy FPV drones. I also think it makes a terrible anti-sniper weapon... mainly because I haven't seen any video of snipers actually being taken out by them. I've seen infantry, often incapacitated or the like being eliminated, but not like some sniper team or whatever.

 

[Agent23]

All you have to do is attach C4 to the cloaked robots and remote detonate it tbh

> C4...
> In a nuke punk setting...

 

[Scooby Doo]

For Eyebots?

Yep that page is modifications available to all robots

I honestly think it'd be a novel use of them, but a few months into the war, similar things will be done with even more maneuverable if less stealthy FPV drones. I also think it makes a terrible anti-sniper weapon... mainly because I haven't seen any video of snipers actually being taken out by them. I've seen infantry, often incapacitated or the like being eliminated, but not like some sniper team or whatever.

Tbh they'd probably use Artillery to take them down, the ones from Anchorage were confirmed canon and real.

Lone Wanderer: "Tell me how you were captured by these aliens."
Elliott Tercorien: "Well, it was getting dark... we had spent the day out in the trenches keeping as many of the guys alive as we could. Chinese had been pounding on us all day with artillery from these huge guns they had up on the mountains. It was really a mess

Those shits gonna be deleting Ukrainian structures

 

[Scooby Doo]

> C4...
> In a nuke punk setting...

It's cheaper and canonically C4 existed

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yep that page is modifications available to all robots

But Scoobs. Where will those mods fit on an Eyeboy even if it's technically allowed by RPG game mechanics? Stealth Boys and Mini Nukes (C4 is more practical)

Tbh they'd probably use Artillery to take them down, the ones from Anchorage were confirmed canon and real.

Yeah but that's a normal use of artillery.

Honestly my main issue in this discussion tangent is that it's becoming very narrowly focused on a very small aspect, which is countering snipers.

Eyebot Suicide Drones and smoke generation and artillery would be useful.obviously, but as specific counters to Ukrainian Snipers with anti-material rifles who are a potential counter to Power Armor and Heavy War Bots is pretty narrowly focused.

We're going to miss the forest for the trees.

 

[Scooby Doo]

But Scoobs. Where will those mods fit on an Eyeboy even if it's technically allowed by RPG game mechanics? Stealth Boys and Mini Nukes (C4 is more practical)

Idk where it would fit in exactly but it shouldn't be too huge

The prop is roughly the size of a Pipboy and a Eyebot is slightly bigger or equal to the size of a Torso.

Yeah but that's a normal use of artillery.

Honestly my main issue in this discussion tangent is that it's becoming very narrowly focused on a very small aspect, which is countering snipers.

Eyebot Suicide Drones and smoke generation and artillery would be useful.obviously, but as specific counters to Ukrainian Snipers with anti-material rifles who are a potential counter to Power Armor and Heavy War Bots is pretty narrowly focused.

We're going to miss the forest for the trees.

Ukrainian snipers OP tho

 

[Agent23]

It's cheaper and canonically C4 existed

This is SB TS, we so not use reasonable, limited force when we can have a huge explosion.

 

[Scooby Doo]

This is SB TS, we so not use reasonable, limited force when we can have a huge explosion.

Liberty Prime vs Kyiv

Can they stop him?

 

[Agent23]

Liberty Prime vs Kyiv

Can they stop him?

After some artillery preparation and after the recon and forward formsrions trash their artillery, tanks and defensive missiles?

Probably not.

If you send him alone they might have a chance.

 

[Scooby Doo]

After some artillery preparation and after the recon and forward formsrions trash their artillery, tanks and defensive missiles?

Probably not.

If you send him alone they might have a chance.

How many Liberty Prime's (No other units but Prime models) on their own to solo Ukraine?

I'd say 50 should be enough imo

 

[Agent23]

How many Liberty Prime's (No other units but Prime models) on their own to solo Ukraine?

I'd say 50 should be enough imo

Why don't you ask one of our resident military experts, self-proclaimed, of course.


First off, do the Ukies have anything that can take out a liberty prime?

It might be possible that hitting it with enough air to surface missiles, rocket artillery , hell even theater ballistic missiles like the Grom, assumenig it stays put long enough, might take it out.

It had zero problem bulldozing through most of the Enclave's stiff from FO3, but got splatrd easily by that orbital laser or whatever the Enclave was using.

And IIRC the environmental damage around the strike was not that impressive, but I don't recall off hand since it has been over a decade since I played FO3.

 

[Agent23]

Btw, @Scooby Doo do the FOUSA know they will get all of that advanced tech?

If anything, the enclave leadership might just decide to procrastinate to get all of that lovely tech while they wait for Trump to get into office so that they and RLUSA can have an anschluss.

They will probably need to reform their system into something akin to the Roman tetrarch, with Trump and whoever was president back then being co-Presidents.

Also, I wanna see Tucker do a travelogue of his visit to the FOUSA.

And lots of boomers will wanna go there because it would be like on the good old days, and with better health care.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Why don't you ask one of our resident military experts, self-proclaimed, of course.


First off, do the Ukies have anything that can take out a liberty prime?

It might be possible that hitting it with enough air to surface missiles, rocket artillery , hell even theater ballistic missiles like the Grom, assumenig it stays put long enough, might take it out.

It had zero problem bulldozing through most of the Enclave's stiff from FO3, but got splatrd easily by that orbital laser or whatever the Enclave was using.

And IIRC the environmental damage around the strike was not that impressive, but I don't recall off hand since it has been over a decade since I played FO3.

IIRC Micro Nukes were technically the ordinance used to kill Prime, he actually walks through Enclave's conventional artillery and no sells Verti-Bird Gatling guns.

So for lore accuracy we have to take a look at the Orbital Satellites

Log entry #006

Turns out I don't have specific data on my satellite, but the registration format suggests that it's a stationary micro-nuclear weapons platform. Tracking data appears to confirm this; the thing hasn't moved in the week I've been tracking it. Without a targeting platform at my disposal, sending an activation code would only cause it to drop a payload directly on top of this area. Not exactly what I'm aiming for, but I'll keep the codes handy just in case.

Should be at least comparable to Mini Nukes

It took 9 to destroy Prime

The satellite's payload consists of eight warhead salvos. A single salvo of nine missiles was fired during Death From Above, targeted at Liberty Prime, and the remaining four, totaling 36 missiles, were launched during Who Dares Wins, at either the Mobile Base Crawler or the Citadel, depending on the player character's choice. The payload can be checked during Who Dares Wins.

Davey Crocketts (Which should be lower than Mini Nuke in payload) are 10 Tons of TNT which is in line with Mini Nukes vaporizing people and shearing off Cliff Faces.

So it should take at minimum 90 tons of TNT or several MOAB's but it's likely much higher.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Btw, @Scooby Doo do the FOUSA know they will get all of that advanced tech?

Uhm let's say yes for funzies lol

If anything, the enclave leadership might just decide to procrastinate to get all of that lovely tech while they wait for Trump to get into office so that they and RLUSA can have an anschluss.

They will probably need to reform their system into something akin to the Roman tetrarch, with Trump and whoever was president back then being co-Presidents.

Also, I wanna see Tucker do a travelogue of his visit to the FOUSA.

And lots of boomers will wanna go there because it would be like on the good old days, and with better health care.

Hmmm NATO might scream hysterically though and demand to mobilize the French to help Ukraine