Ukraine vs Fallout Pre-War America

[Scooby Doo]

Vs

Scenario) Pre-War Fallout America replaces Russia (Pre-War America ignoring every other country but Ukraine) and attempts a complete annexation Ukraine.

Ukraine gets invaded by American forces on the timeline of February 24, 2022. The forces and assets available for Pre-War America initially are from their own timeline of October 22nd 2077 and only the named/known Orbital weapon satellites.

The West like in our timeline is afraid of nuclear retaliation (And will only provide support via resources/Intel) and Pre-War America has no interest in nuking the resources of Ukraine so they will be restricting their nuclear arsenal. (Nothing above Mark 29 Nukes)

If Ukraine lasts long enough to receive more equipment such as Jets and Abrams then FO America will unlock and be able to fully produce Prototype equipment/technology.

If Ukraine lasts until 2023.
FO America gets
-Mass Production ready Death Claws
-Mass Production ready Robo Scorpions (All Models)
-Mass Production ready X-01 Power Armors
-Mass Production ready XVB02 Verti Birds
-Completed Liberty Prime
-Mass Production ready Tesla Cannon's

If Ukraine lasts until 2024.
FO America gets
-All Sierra Madre technology mass producible and perfectly functional
-All Big MT technology mass producible and perfectly functional
-Mass Production models of Liberty Prime

 

[Scooby Doo]

Way I see it is that Ukraine will have a decisive aerial advantage which will help stem getting immediately overrun by FO's infantry and mechanized infantry but they probably don't have enough Jets and Ammunition to support an offensive assault so they'd have to stockpile munitions and get more aircraft from the West before FO America adapts and create like a AA Laser weapon precise enough to shoot down Jets.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Laser rifles are pretty common pre-war tech and they can cut a person in half in-canon, given the pre-war USA has even nastier weapons, I gotta hand it to them.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Laser rifles are pretty common pre-war tech and they can cut a person in half in-canon, given the pre-war USA has even nastier weapons, I gotta hand it to them.

Do you think Ukraine remote controlled explosive drone spam can turn the tide? I think they were producing something ridiculous like 10k drones a month or something along the lines of that.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I feel this Versus is backwards. It's not pre-war Fallout America that will need a boost but Ukraine down the line. Fallout Pre-War America was able to fight a ten year long War with RED CHINA which including operations in liberating not just Alaska but also liberating our friends in Canada, operations in Mongolia, and an apparently successful Yangtze Campaign which triggered a ChiCom nuclear response.

Just assuming that the China of the 2070's was no more militarily powerful then say, the China of now... or even the China of two or even more decades ago, that's an impressive achievement. I think sustaining that sort of campaign against China is more impressive then if Russia actually succeeded in taking Ukraine in under two or three years as per the OP. I think most iterations of modern China are militarily more powerful and resilient then Ukraine are and thus would safely assume a 2060's-2070's era China of Fallout would be significantly more powerful then modern China and thus even more powerful then modern Ukraine.

So IMHO, pre-war American stomps. Maybe not Kyiv in three days, but a month or so honestly seems plausible.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I feel this Versus is backwards. It's not pre-war Fallout America that will need a boost but Ukraine down the line. Fallout Pre-War America was able to fight a ten year long War with RED CHINA which including operations in liberating not just Alaska but also liberating our friends in Canada, operations in Mongolia, and an apparently successful Yangtze Campaign which triggered a ChiCom nuclear response.

Just assuming that the China of the 2070's was no more militarily powerful then say, the China of now... or even the China of two or even more decades ago, that's an impressive achievement. I think sustaining that sort of campaign against China is more impressive then if Russia actually succeeded in taking Ukraine in under two or three years as per the OP. I think most iterations of modern China are militarily more powerful and resilient then Ukraine are and thus would safely assume a 2060's-2070's era China of Fallout would be significantly more powerful then modern China and thus even more powerful then modern Ukraine.

So IMHO, pre-war American stomps. Maybe not Kyiv in three days, but a month or so honestly seems plausible.

How do you think Pre-War America would be able to take Kyiv? Ukraine at the start of 2022 had a ridiculous amount of Javelins.

 

[Agent23]

We really don't know how good FO! Murikah's air defenses were, but given ther House could basically save Vegas from a bunch of ICBMs with whatever he could cobble together in secret I think that the USA should have a pretty decent air defense tech.

Similarly we don't know much about their air force, the fact that something looks dated doesn't mean that it is.

FO!USA stomps.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

We really don't know how good FO! Murikah's air defenses were, but given ther House could basically save Vegas from a bunch of ICBMs with whatever he could cobble together in secret I think that the USA should have a pretty decent air defense tech.

Similarly we don't know much about their air force, the fact that something looks dated doesn't mean that it is.

FO!USA stomps.

Because bethesda cannot into design, the canonical airforce that pre-war America had was Korean-War era jets and nothing fancier.

Despite, ya know, the same people making this fucking nightmare of a space shuttle. Nuclear powered, SSTO, insane.

It'd be like a demolition company having a hovering nuclear powered bulldozer that can leap over a building, while the US army's finest vehicle was a glorified WW2 tank.

Oh wait, that's basically Fallout 4, lmao.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Because bethesda cannot into design, the canonical airforce that pre-war America had was Korean-War era jets and nothing fancier.

Despite, ya know, the same people making this fucking nightmare of a space shuttle. Nuclear powered, SSTO, insane.

It'd be like a demolition company having a hovering nuclear powered bulldozer that can leap over a building, while the US army's finest vehicle was a glorified WW2 tank.

Oh wait, that's basically Fallout 4, lmao.

Actually the shuttle is modified

Crockett: "{157}{}{Let's see... I built a nuclear reactor for the spaceship. I created the hardening process for power armor. And I fix things that are broken.}<"

I don't believe it was designed Pre-War to be nuclear powered but super sonic aircraft did exist in Fallout

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The issue is we don't know the maximum engagement range and speed for their combat jets.

 

[Agent23]

Actually the shuttle is modified

I don't believe it was designed Pre-War to be nuclear powered but super sonic aircraft did exist in Fallout

The issue is we don't know the maximum engagement range and speed for their combat jets.

There was an SSTO moon or mars rocket in one of the FO3 exhibits, it was nuclear powered.

 

[Scooby Doo]

There was an SSTO moon or mars rocket in one of the FO3 exhibits, it was nuclear powered.

Thought you guys hated FO3


JK but fair point I just checked and you're right the

Delta IX

rocket used a nuclear engine and was made in FO's timeline of 2020.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Actually the shuttle is modified

I don't believe it was designed Pre-War to be nuclear powered but super sonic aircraft did exist in Fallout

He put a nuclear reactor in there which was probably supposed to be there in the first place. Fallout rocketry are almost all nuclear, because 'haha everything nuclear' started becoming a trend in the series.

 

[Scooby Doo]

He put a nuclear reactor in there which was probably supposed to be there in the first place. Fallout rocketry are almost all nuclear, because 'haha everything nuclear' started becoming a trend in the series.

Yeh but a lot of Fallout Earth's best tech and stuff was still in prototype stages, they'd still need a couple months to years to perfect it on a mass producible scale.

Funny enough they had perfected automated flying Drones for resupplying according to FO76.

 

[Agent23]

Thought you guys hated FO3


JK but fair point I just checked and you're right the

Delta IX

rocket used a nuclear engine and was made in FO's timeline of 2020.

Hate FO3.

Dude, FO3 was THE FIRST FO GAME I ACTUALLY PLAYED!!!

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yeh but a lot of Fallout Earth's best tech and stuff was still in prototype stages, they'd still need a couple months to years to perfect it on a mass producible scale.

Funny enough they had perfected automated flying Drones for resupplying according to FO76.

They had MULTIPLE VARIETIES of nuclear rocket, a nuclear SSTO is really not outside the scope of how silly and powerful pre-war America was.

Pre-War Americans could legally own laser guns that cut people in half like a lightsaber, they were buying body armor sets for personal usage that would basically blow anything we can come up with today out of the water.

 

[Scooby Doo]

They had MULTIPLE VARIETIES of nuclear rocket, a nuclear SSTO is really not outside the scope of how silly and powerful pre-war America was.

Pre-War Americans could legally own laser guns that cut people in half like a lightsaber, they were buying body armor sets for personal usage that would basically blow anything we can come up with today out of the water.

Oh there's no doubt in that, in a direct confrontation they are stronger but we're still kinda lacking raw stats like range/accuracy which is what I don't know if FO America has any counter to.

For example a lot of Ukraine artillery and missiles can hit beyond visual range and at 20km+, the only thing with beyond visual range I remember in FO are their Howitzers and limited Orbital satellites they'd have here.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Oh there's no doubt in that, in a direct confrontation they are stronger but we're still kinda lacking raw stats like range/accuracy which is what I don't know if FO America has any counter to.

For example a lot of Ukraine artillery and missiles can hit beyond visual range and at 20km+, the only thing with beyond visual range I remember in FO are their Howitzers and limited Orbital satellites they'd have here.

I mean Arty or not, Ukraine would be swamped in pissed off Gutsys, sentrybots, Power armor lunatics on psycho lobbing missiles, plasma casters and god knows what else everywhere, various tanks, and more.

It's just a simple matter of numbers, and pre-War America was pretty bustling.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I mean Arty or not, Ukraine would be swamped in pissed off Gutsys, sentrybots, Power armor lunatics on psycho lobbing missiles, plasma casters and god knows what else everywhere, various tanks, and more.

It's just a simple matter of numbers, and pre-War America was pretty bustling.

Idk with help from the West Ukraine can make 2 million drones a year not including other resources
Ukraine says it could make 2m drones a year with financial help from west

How much machines do you think Pre War can pump out a year?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Idk with help from the West Ukraine can make 2 million drones a year not including other resources
Ukraine says it could make 2m drones a year with financial help from west

How much machines do you think Pre War can pump out a year?

To be honest, probably not 2 million advanced war machines, that's for sure.
But it's a little silly to say that Ukraine just spams 'summon drone' and blows up every US unit with flawless success.
Remind me why Russia hasn't been crushed yet by the Ukrainian might, whereas Fallout America would probably shit on Modern Russia?

 

[Scooby Doo]

To be honest, probably not 2 million advanced war machines, that's for sure.
But it's a little silly to say that Ukraine just spams 'summon drone' and blows up every US unit with flawless success.
Remind me why Russia hasn't been crushed yet by the Ukrainian might, whereas Fallout America would probably shit on Modern Russia?

I don't think Ukraine could beat America but I feel like it could stall it like it has been doing to Russia tbh