Blasterbot
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Elect them to public office and pay them loads of money for a book deal?
Tucker Carlson Leaving Fox News
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I was going to make a Sulla reference in retort but that would've been chronologically inconsistent.
Simonbob
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Very interesting interview. Very interesting.
Sure, it was pretty soft. Putin got most of what he wanted, if not all. Still, interesting.
Personally, I liked the history lesson. Eh, I like those kind of things.
I'm not going to bother arguing about the Ukraine/Russia war. Everybody's not thinking now, they're just set in their opinions.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm pretty set now, too.
Sure, it was pretty soft. Putin got most of what he wanted, if not all. Still, interesting.
Personally, I liked the history lesson. Eh, I like those kind of things.
I'm not going to bother arguing about the Ukraine/Russia war. Everybody's not thinking now, they're just set in their opinions.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm pretty set now, too.
strunkenwhite
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It's really not, though. Economically or conventionally, China would spank Russia. (In the past one might have been able to argue that Russia had a similar degree (but not kind) of economic leverage over the west, but that's not true anymore if it ever was.) In a no-holds-barred race to rule over the ashes of the world, Russia has a lot more throw weight than China. Either way, I don't think either one of them can be called a similar level of threat in any particular conflict zone.
KilroywasNOTHere
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At this point I just want all of it to be over so that I don't have to hear about anymore.
Simonbob
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Now that I think about it, the biggest point? Putin thinks the US is run by the intel agencies. It doesn't matter who's elected, who's the face. They aren't real, in terms of power.
As far as Putin's concerned, there's no point in talking to anybody outside the CIA/NSA or the like, because they're the Govenment of the US. And he's been talking to them the whole time.
Wow. Talk about Deep State stuff.
Very interesting indeed.
As far as Putin's concerned, there's no point in talking to anybody outside the CIA/NSA or the like, because they're the Govenment of the US. And he's been talking to them the whole time.
Wow. Talk about Deep State stuff.
Very interesting indeed.
KilroywasNOTHere
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I guess I'm thoroughly black pilled but I almost welcome the apocalypse at this point. The country is ran by a bunch of old guys and girls wanting to relive their glory days as "Great Men" in their prime and if it's not run by them it's youngsters who've hardly known struggle. Just rip the band-aid off already.
And American citizens we have the right to realize smartly that the entire thing is staged and allowed by Putin for his benefit in the hope that it will persuade isolationist to cut aid to Ukraine in 2025 ensuring a victory for Moscow in the country, a move which will add more overall territory and resources to the Russian Federation one of the two largest geopolitical rivals the U.S. has on the global stage at the present time, the very same country which we are engaged in a proxy war with at this very moment...
I agree and don't think Tucker can or should be jailed at the moment as it would be a gross overreach of power with only flimsy justification under the law, that being said he is definitely playing a dangerous game one which he is not immune of domestic critici0sm of constitution be damned.
He isn't Hanoi Jane but he is definitely an American Journalist rambling on Union Radio in the USSR misinformation about the conflict in the 70's, it narrowly avoids direct treason under the eyes of the law, but a hell of a lot of people will see it for what it is and don't have to like it.
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Simonbob
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Thanks for admitting it.
We gave Churchill bombs to use against Nazi Germany there is no shame in it. Ukraine wants to keep its independence against its stronger neighbor, the U.S. meanwhile has a vested interest in keeping Russia down and weak, it's a win-win situation to supply them.
Simonbob
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Of course you don't, but you are an Australian and not an American citizen, thus you don't have a place to complain about our foreign policy which makes your opinion on this matter pointless.
Simonbob
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....... Seriously?
OK, let's do this.
Did you know that there was trade with Australia, from both of them? There are both Russians and Ukrainians in Australia, too.
What the US does there affects Australia. Thus? When you destroy multiple nations, others are affected.
Next point.
Are you willing to send your own money to Ukraine? Are you willing to go there to fight yourself?
No? You're just willing to arrange the deaths of all Ukrainians because..... I don't even know. Russia's dangerous, I guess?
Despite the simple fact that Russia's weak. Frankly, Russia was weak before this war, now it's spent god only knows how much money, men and material, so now it's weaker still. You guys are just making this crap up.
Heck, Putin's about the only thing keeping Russia together. He has no successor, he's old, and the moment he stops, so does Russia.
Shit ecconomy, shit army, shit leadership, shitted up culture (By Communism, sure.), so why worry so much about it?
KilroywasNOTHere
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I think one thing that needs to be made clear is that the Internet is not an American-only thing it's an international tool. This means people on opposing sides of a war (Proxy or literal) will talk to each other, and of course, they are going to disagree. If we agreed, we wouldn't be at war with each other. it's as simple as that.
The same could be said of Russia and yet you are not arguing for their withdraw, are you? Nothing that Russia or Ukraine does is worth a damn to you really so stop pretending.
And Russia arranged the deaths of countless Ukrainians when they invaded the country so stop victim blaming that coin is two sided and you very well know it, we give them weapons so they may determine their own future in the face of an aggressor while adding us in our strategic goal of keeping a geopolitical adversary weak by denying then territory, resources and imparting the message to others like China that we don't tolerate land grabs.
I fail to see why me fighting personally in Russia is a requirement to sending aid in your mind however, don't get me wrong I would like nothing less to if I were physically able, heck I would take the U.S. army with me were the risk of nuclear war not on the line, but that isn't an option.
Because it looks more and more like Russia will become a junior partner in an emerging alliance with the CCP so giving them more land in europe isn't wise especially when a lack of resolve will indicate that actions taken against other nations such as Taiwan may be met with similar outcomes.
Diplomacy is about looking towards the future, and you are only looking at Russia in a vacuum of its own corruption, it still is the largest nation on earth, with vast resources and the largest nuclear arsenal, it's only in soft power and economics that they lag behind, the CCP the world's second largest economy is already funneling cash and influence into them in reaction to the economic isolation that always was doomed to happen in reaction to Putin's adventure, something that won't change anytime soon, that greater dependency and complete diplomatic isolation and exclusion from Europe even amongst the few neutrals left by this point will only ensure that after this conflict Russia will only result in them looking eastward for in diplomacy for strong allies.
Naturally, it is in the U.S.'s best interest then to make Russia as vulnerable as possible with the possible emergence of such an alliance in case the U.S. ever got into a conflict with the both of them, both expanding NATO and not giving Russia anymore strategic depth helps something an independent Ukraine accomplishes.
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TheRejectionist
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Are you willing to send your money to Russia? Are you willing to go fight against the Ukrainians yourself?
Your country doesn't even try to go against China even thiugh your military knows it is the bigger threat....
Russia is a threat more rhen just militarily.
They have enough resources in thier country to be able to fuel and supply China and basically make it hard for the US And its allies to stop multiple aspects we currently would be able to.
We would be telling China it's okay to invade Taiwan, and any nation we don't have a paper alliance with to protect because we won't do shit.
As someone who actually lives in Europe in a country that used to be Russia's vassal for some time, i say take this shit to some russiaboos and German neoliberals because no one else believes it.
All you are doing is showing the psychological remnants of Aussie's history as either convicts or prison guards.
Russia is a direct threat to the whole western world, as is the CCP, and you Aussie's are part of the West, and will get fucked just the same by a resurgent Russia or expansionist CCP.
Also, @Rocinante, I think this is interview is going to be a meme generator and make Tucker looks even stupider for falling for this to begin with.
The reaction faces and context that will come out of this interview are going to be a meme gold mine for a long time.