bintananth
behind a desk
*shrugs*
Like General Winfield Scott Hancock ... I'm also a Democrat.
*shrugs*
Like I stated I don't blame Trump for everything either but lets not pretend he had nothing to do with things getting out of hand.
Finally, the issue with Trump is two-fold: 1) he wasn't able to get rid of the establishment and put the establishment in charge and his policies were pretty similar to establishment republican ones, and 2) he now can't even win.
LOL!"The President is a criminal for exercising his first amendment right and encouraging others to do so."
Brilliant take.
LOL!
"Criminal"? No. Irresponsible? Yes. Also moronic? Yes.
It's very important to roll over and do nothing when there is an organized, international conspiracy to alter an election to subvert the will of the American people so that a cartel of various special interest groups and institutional simps can install their puppet and restore a status quo that harms Americans. "Better luck next time." Of course, of course...
Well that's very nice it's lucky I have never condemned them for it so much as felt they went stupidly and thoughtlessly about it!Trump and everyone who protested were acting on their duties as American citizens and within their rights to challenge all election results everywhere.
How well did this attempt turn out? What would have been your best case scenario? Where their no other alternative methods or routes? So many questions!It is very important to doubt and question the state and its legal apparatus. One could argue forcing accountability and vexing public servants is an obligation that all American citizens ought to fulfill at least once in their lives.
How well did this attempt turn out? What would have been your best case scenario? Where their no other alternative methods or routes? So many questions!
Sure! Sure! Your right! Trump couldn't have done anything crazy! He couldn't have just 'respected the electors vote' but decried the fraud amongst the popular as making it illegitimate!
I mean, I am glad we have spent so much time the past two years watching Trump be made to stand before committee, after committee telling people he wasn't responsible it just puts more focus on that great subject!
You are on the mark with most things, but not this, not outside the fringe right that only cares about preaching to a small choir.And more and more Americans are hostile to the idea that anything in Eastern Europe matters.
You keep dismissing and downplaying shit like Ray Epps trying to organize things the night before, or all the the other bits of Glowie/Antifa agent provacators in the crowds, or the way many literally walked in thinking the police were Ok with it and that is was all kosher.
Sure! Sure! Your right! Trump couldn't have done anything crazy! He couldn't have just 'respected the electors vote' but decried the fraud amongst the popular as making it illegitimate!
I mean, I am glad we have spent so much time the past two years watching Trump be made to stand before committee, after committee telling people he wasn't responsible it just puts more focus on that great subject!
I mean think of it! If Trump had just walked away like I outlined above we would be listening to so much crap right now, who knows what type of insane shit he would be doing if he wasnt so busy!
Well that's very nice it's lucky I have never condemned them for it so much as felt they went stupidly and thoughtlessly about it!
How well did this attempt turn out? What would have been your best case scenario? Where their no other alternative methods or routes? So many questions!
You are on the mark with most things, but not this, not outside the fringe right that only cares about preaching to a small choir.
The majority of the US is caring more about Eastern Europe than they at any time have since the Wall fell.
Mistaking support of Ukraine with support for the Radical Left is massive, and likely costly come 2024, mistake for the Far Right, as if people like Milo and Fuentes hadn't sabotaged it enough already.
...I think you are living in a far right bubble, and it's Ukraine, not the Ukraine.I'm not mistaking support for the most corrupt nation on Earth for a leftist position. I'm saying most Americans look at support for the Uklraine, roll their eyes and say "That's globalist bullshit, I just won't vote if that's on the table."
I interact with normies, I do business with Normies, and I rent properties to normies. I had a tenant get arrested for burning a Ukrainian flag outside a neighbor's house. Why? "Fuck them, my brother shot himself rather than be homeless". People are becoming extremely antipathetic to foreign adventurism and globalism in general, and both Russia and the Ukraine and their citizens have become whipping boys for tens of millions of Americans who see themselves stuck in a dead-end job, with increasingly worthless money unable to have more than one kid when they want a large family and why? Because in their mind we've bled ourselves dry maintaining people in the old world.
I hear more Anti-slav rhetoric in family restaurants than I do online. Only the upper middle class cares about the most recent Eastern European bitchfit. Because they're a bunch of overly educated imbeciles who always vote against their own interests.
Nobody cares anymore, all they see is another foreign adventure to enrich our effete, seditious and perverted ruling elite while Americans are ODing by the hundreds of thousands and upward mobility is a pipe dream.
Like I said part of liberating America from this tyranny is for American people to start actively hating their government and rejecting the academic and managerial classes. Once that happens Americans can begin fixing their country and maybe even start holding people accountable in a very decisive way.
But that does kinda suck for all the innocent people caught between Zelensky and his child trafficking buddies and Putin and his drug dealer homies.
...I think you are living in a far right bubble, and it's Ukraine, not the Ukraine.
It is a nation unto itself, not simple a part of Russia, and most of the US recognizes that, and recognize the difference between a righteous war of defense for a nation-state seeking independence and 'foreign adventurism'.
Also, realize no matter how you and your friends feel, the former Warsaw Bloc nations in NATO and Eastern Europe are not going to let Russia roll over Ukraine, and will make sure Ukraine can both retake their entire nation. Turkey in particular seems to be able to push and pull leverage on Russia out of all the NATO states, and well, we know how the Finns see the Russians when it comes to them entering NATO.
Putin will go to the grave trying to carve something like a victory out of this mess at the cost of the future of his nation, much like the Tsar did. Most of Europe is united in opposing Russian and aiding Ukraine in it's defense, as is most of the Western world as a whole, because this time the Bear is the bigger evil than any other threat to the area.
Who succeeds Putin is the real question we should be asking, when it comes to how this war end in terms of getting the Russians to withdraw across the Border and stop firing across the border.
Because that is what this war has reduced Russia to; a CCP/Iranian proxy against the West. Where as Ukraine...Zelensky, he is not anywhere near the piece of terminally ill ofal that Putin is, and Ukrainians not wanting to be ruled by Moscow is not just some western psy-op. MH17 happened, and even Girkin is now completely disillusioned and expectant of defeat; he even expects to be put in the Hague and then hung in Kyiv after the war, if Russia does not find a way to withdraw while maintaining internal stability.
We cannot beat the Left by trying to go Pinochet, and shouldn't try, it just won't work in America, and that is part of the Far Right's problem with messaging.
Look, I'm just going to say this directly; you are living in a Latin American/ex-South American bubble, or at least an ideological bubble regarding foreign issues, from your own description.snip
Look, I'm just going to say this directly; you are living in a Latin American/ex-South American bubble, or at least an ideological bubble regarding foreign issues, from your own description.
Most of the US does not share your disdain for people outside the Americas, do not see Ukraine as Rwanda 2.0, do not see Zelensky as just as bad as Putin, or feel that Ukraine is just part of Russia that wants to break away.
The only thing this argument shows is that AnCaps are not the only ones who are foolish enough to think we can bury our heads in the sand as a nation, or the only ones who have blatant ideological blind-spots, as the Pinochet worship shows.
Look, I'm just going to say this directly; you are living in a Latin American/ex-South American bubble, or at least an ideological bubble regarding foreign issues, from your own description.
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I wouldn't go that far, I live in Cali and have seen a lot of people here who are tried of cleaning up europes messes, their just not quite as there as his neck of the woods.
from rural minnesota here. most people who care drank the blue kool-aid. most of the right wingers and uninitiated think putin is an asshole but it really isn't something to spend american blood and treasure to fix. they are sick of america ignoring domestic issues to throw money and lives on foreign adventures.
The fact you claim Zelensky is a child trafficker and that many normies hate him for this, gets big old X of Doubt from me, and frankly undermines everything else you claim to think the US public knows/feels about the Russian invasion of Ukraine or about US politics in general.snip
The fact you claim Zelensky is a child trafficker and that many normies hate him for this, gets big old X of Doubt from me, and frankly undermines everything else you claim to think the US public knows/feels about the Russian invasion of Ukraine or about US politics in general.
In fact you are the only person I've ever seen claim such about Zelensky.
Also, I am someone living in a very blue, formerly purple area, who has to live and see what is going on with the situation in Ukraine from how the center and Left mostly view things, and I can tell you I have not seen or heard one person complain about helping Ukraine, mostly just throw hate and shade on Russia for their war crimes and/or incompetence.
I know people who think good of Russia and still say they are in the wrong
So you cannot even provide sources for the claim about Zelensky, why am I not surprised.snip
So you cannot even provide sources for the claim about Zelensky, why am I not surprised.
See, you have the mono-focus on trying to pretend the Monroe Doctrine and the Western Hemisphere are all that matter to our daily lives, that nothing that happens outside the America's matters to us (or should matter to us), and that Ukraine is just as bad thus deserves to get invaded.
Your sort of mindset won't do anything but make it easier for Biden and the Dems to smear and attack the GOP/Trump base as Russian stooges, and frankly at this point some of the GOP/Trump base would deserve it.
Again, conflating aiding Ukraine with the ME clusterfucks is ignoring the realities on the ground. People can be tired of fucking around in the ME while also still supporting aiding Ukraine in defending itself and reclaiming it's 1991 borders.he is correct about the american people becoming more isolationist though.
The 20 years spent in the sandbox pretty much soured peoples opinions against adventures in the outside world.