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Terthna said:
Notice how you're not actually trying to argue that the Democrats didn't cheat? You're just trying to argue that they would have won anyways, by making a lot of vague claims that you and you alone had your finger on the pulse of what the American people were thinking during the 2020 election.
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To put it bluntly, I think the argument about whether the Democrats did or didn't cheat at this point is just boring. Because let's suppose that you're right and antifa ninjas snuck into all the polling booths, stuffed the ballots, or whatever the fuck you think happened.

So what next? What's your plan? Because you tried the courts and that failed. Maybe they failed because the courts are all establishment shills, but that doesn't change the fact that they failed and you're certainly not more likely to succeed on that front going forward. So what's the new plan?

I mean, from my perspective, it's really obvious what the new plan should be. But you're not going to do it, and when you tried to do that on 1/6, it got shut down and now half of you are claiming those guys were actually antifa provocateurs or something. So until you do that? From my perspective it's all just a bunch of circlejerking, little different from the 30-year old at the bar grousing how he could have gone NFL if only he hadn't hurt his knee.
 
Largo said:
I mean, from my perspective, it's really obvious what the new plan should be. But you're not going to do it, and when you tried to do that on 1/6, it got shut down and now half of you are claiming those guys were actually antifa provocateurs or something. So until you do that? From my perspective it's all just a bunch of circlejerking, little different from the 30-year old at the bar grousing how he could have gone NFL if only he hadn't hurt his knee.
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Okay, you're implying something here, but let's have it straight-out so I don't misunderstand you.

Do you think 1/6 was an attempt to overthrow the government?
 
Largo said:
To put it bluntly, I think the argument about whether the Democrats did or didn't cheat at this point is just boring. Because let's suppose that you're right and antifa ninjas snuck into all the polling booths, stuffed the ballots, or whatever the fuck you think happened.

So what next? What's your plan? Because you tried the courts and that failed. Maybe they failed because the courts are all establishment shills, but that doesn't change the fact that they failed and you're certainly not more likely to succeed on that front going forward. So what's the new plan?

I mean, from my perspective, it's really obvious what the new plan should be. But you're not going to do it, and when you tried to do that on 1/6, it got shut down and now half of you are claiming those guys were actually antifa provocateurs or something. So until you do that? From my perspective it's all just a bunch of circlejerking, little different from the 30-year old at the bar grousing how he could have gone NFL if only he hadn't hurt his knee.
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You know one thing they could try, is tightening laws to secure the elections and ensure fraud is harder to pull off next time....

...Gosh, if only some places were doing that.

This line I keep hearing, "if you guys really believed it you'd be rioting and revolting" is fucking retarded. Sorry, we aren't left wing terrorists that go out looting footlockers and burning down court houses whenever we don't get our way.

There are other ways out of this. The fact that we DISCUSS this on a DISCUSSION BOARD instead of burning shit down doesn't mean what you morons think it means.
 
LordsFire said:
Okay, you're implying something here, but let's have it straight-out so I don't misunderstand you.

Do you think 1/6 was an attempt to overthrow the government?
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I don't think it was an organized attempt to overthrow the government. I do think that if those people had run into AOC, or Mike Pence, or Mitt Romney, or just about any member of Congress/the establishment who in their viewpoint was blocking Trump's obvious rightful claim to power on that day, they would have killed them. That's close enough.
 
Largo said:
I don't think it was an organized attempt to overthrow the government. I do think that if those people had run into AOC, or Mike Pence, or Mitt Romney, or just about any member of Congress/the establishment who in their viewpoint was blocking Trump's obvious rightful claim to power on that day, they would have killed them. That's close enough.
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No.
They would not have.
Because they were not there to overthrow the government. They were there to protest, and were let into the capital building...
 
Largo said:
I don't think it was an organized attempt to overthrow the government. I do think that if those people had run into AOC, or Mike Pence, or Mitt Romney, or just about any member of Congress/the establishment who in their viewpoint was blocking Trump's obvious rightful claim to power on that day, they would have killed them. That's close enough.
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Yeah, I saw them talking with police about being peaceful and orderly before the police let them in, where they obeyed the rope barriers and walked in single file.

These were protestors, who were let in.

This wasnt an coup, or an insurrection. They weren't out to over throw the government or murder senators. By their own words, they were there to use the first amendment and make their voices heard. It was a "mostly peaceful" protest.

Stop watching left wing fake news.
 
Zachowon said:
No.
They would not have.
Because they were not there to overthrow the government. They were there to protest, and were let into the capital building...
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So let me say something about this claim, because this is something I actually personally know. I used to work for the Architect of the Capitol, which despite its name is the organization responsible for the actual maintenance, including the historical preservation, of the Capitol complexes. Pretty much any photo or video of 1/6 you show me? I know exactly where it was taken.

And for the vast majority of said photos, I can say with confidence that while you may get let into the building, you don't ever get let into those spaces unsupervised. That's not a thing that happens. Or it is a thing if say, for example, the Capitol Police end up letting you in because they realize that they can't prevent you from getting in thanks to you and your buddies threatening to overwhelming them.
 
Largo said:
I don't think it was an organized attempt to overthrow the government. I do think that if those people had run into AOC, or Mike Pence, or Mitt Romney, or just about any member of Congress/the establishment who in their viewpoint was blocking Trump's obvious rightful claim to power on that day, they would have killed them. That's close enough.
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Then you're just writing your own mental fantasy narrative.

If those people had been serious about political violence, they would have brought guns.

American citizens are more heavily armed than literally every military in the world combined, when it comes to small arms. American Conservatives are specifically known to be the most concentrated element of this. And yet, somehow, these people who protested at the capitol, which then escalated into a mild riot, didn't bring a single gun with them.

Even though it is known that some of the people had brought guns into the area when they came to visit DC, and active decision was made not to carry guns onto the capitol mall.

If there had been any active intent to kill, someone would have come armed. If there'd been somebody coming there specifically looking for an opportunity, they would have come armed. If someone had come not certain but angry enough to be thinking about it, they would have come armed; it's not like anybody there didn't know what was in the process of happening.

Yet the rioters killed exactly nobody. There wasn''t even a case of 'people going into a spiral of increasing rage and beating the shit out of someone,' and that''s something that can very easily happen without anyone intending it in a mob.

If even a dozen people had gone there hoping for the opportunity to shed blood, blood would have been shed, and it would have been more than just poor Ashli Babbit getting shot.
 
Rocinante said:
Quit lying.

They calmly and peacefully talked their way in, and were let in.

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And how do you justify/explain the many photos of them scaling walls, climbing through windows, forcing open doors, fighting cops and security etc?


Call me crazy, but none of that looks like calm or peaceful entry to me.
 
Megadeath said:
And how do you justify/explain the many photos of them scaling walls, climbing through windows, forcing open doors, fighting cops and security etc?


Call me crazy, but none of that looks like calm or peaceful entry to me.
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Uh, you know there are more than one entrance to the capital, and that Antifa/Fed informants were in the crowd as agent provacatuers.

I expect almost all the physical damage done that day was by Antifa trying to give the Dems thier Riechstag Fire.
 
Well, this is going to sound crazy, but why can't it be both? That is, there is a segment of people who rioted (as we see in the photos) who did want to charge in, grab hold of Pence, AOC, and everyone else, and did property destruction, theft, etc.

Meanwhile, because the USCP is falling back on account of the clusterfuck caused by the complete breakdown of leadership, the areas that are supposed to be off-limits are not guarded, and there's no one to tell people who come wandering in after that they aren't supposed to be there. There were, after all, news reports of people going in, and when USCP told them "you can't be here, you need to leave," they immediately complied.

Again, though, this is a topic that has a separate thread.

As far as the Trump Organization being charged...yeah I don't think Vance has anything on Trump directly. It's pretty clear it's a stunt because he can't get anything better.
 
Bacle said:
Uh, you know there are more than one entrance to the capital, and that Antifa/Fed informants were in the crowd as agent provacatuers.

I expect almost all the physical damage done that day was by Antifa trying to give the Dems thier Riechstag Fire.
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:rolleyes: Except, thanks to the massive amount of photo and video evidence we know who caused plenty of instances of damaged. Was Ashli Babbitt an Antifa plant? Or the idiot "Q shaman"? What evidence do you have that there were any such, let alone that they were the driving force?

The fact that there's more than one entrance means precisely nothing here either.
>"They weren't there to be violent or cause damage; they peacefully walked in one of the doors!"
>"They smashed through others, and climbed in windows."
>"B b b b buuutt they were peaceful at the other door!"
 
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