Wargamer08
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I merely stated that the US has done it before. As recently as a couple weeks ago.
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In a place we had no buisness setting a government up in.
Megadeath
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There are relevant factors beyond simply the geographical distance. For example, Taiwan produces computer chips. Afghanistan produces... Heroin? America is really only interested in importing one of those. If America doesn't support Taiwan, there won't be a Taiwan. While you can say American dependency on them for something so vital is stupid and it ought to all be produced domestically, good luck forcing that in the absence of a command economy, when the economic realities make it practically impossible for America to competitively produce them.
is this meant to be a joke?
Or an understatement?
Fast and loose is not how the Democrats are playing.
They are quite literally breaking all the rules in the book and then coming around and changing said rules to prevent their disgusting cheating from being caught and prosecuted.
There's only one way to fight fire.
With fire.
Which is why I am in favor of Trump becoming leader of the Secessionist States of America.
because only a civil war will cleanse America of it's swamp and the nasty, nasty critters that live inside it.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Afghanistan was never an ally. Some individuals within it certainly qualify, but the nation as a whole was, at best, a client state, and more accurately, a sink-hole for blood and treasure, the only positive effect of which was to have the terrorists target that locale, rather than the USA proper again.
South Vietnam was something more like an ally. What happened to it because the treason lobby in the media and Democrat Party pushed us to political defeat was tragic. That was a war that could have been won.
Afghanistan we would have had to grind under an imperialist bootheel to the order of hundreds of thousands of men occupying it for decades, deliberately crushing the local culture and forcibly indoctrinating a change. That is not something America and Americans want to do, nor have the political will to support.
Terthna
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I can't remember if it was the Vietnam war, the Korean war, or both; but I was told one of the issues was in how it was conducted. Put bluntly, from the beginning it was run more by civilian officials than military officers, and as a consequence those in charge were more interested in minimizing costs and getting the best deal than actually winning it.
Korea was undermanned at the start so most likely Vietnam
Lord Greyscale
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Yep, the anti-war "civillians" in charge of Vietnam are why it was lost.
Proper military leadership, would have likely resulted in there no-longer being a North Vietnam.
Not sure if that'd be a bad thing, honestly.
War is horrible, sure, but doing it wrong is at least half of how we got to the crazies being in charge.
(the other half was them being born to richie rich types that could successfully bribe their way out of the draft)
EDIT: I have got to get a new keyboard, the C and the W are both broken
Proper military leadership, would have likely resulted in there no-longer being a North Vietnam.
Not sure if that'd be a bad thing, honestly.
War is horrible, sure, but doing it wrong is at least half of how we got to the crazies being in charge.
(the other half was them being born to richie rich types that could successfully bribe their way out of the draft)
EDIT: I have got to get a new keyboard, the C and the W are both broken
strunkenwhite
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By what standard is Afghanistan closer to America than Taiwan? Sorry if I've somehow misunderstood the reference.
King Arts
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He is referring to distance. Same way Mexico is closer to America than England is.
LindyAF
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I'd just got the numbers from a vague recollection from the distance of the US to afghanistan and a vague recollection of the width of the pacific ocean.
At least per a quick search, the flight distance US to afghanistan is 7,300ish miles, to Taiwan is 7,600 miles. My number for Taiwan was a ways off but the general point (that the two nations are a comparable distance from the US) appears to be correct and the specific that afghanistan is closer than taiwan also narrowly correct.
Distance on what I checked appears to have been measured here from a US mainland "midpoint" rather than nearest-point which may bias the results, but the US is arguably eastern-weighted in terms of where the empire is actually based out of anyway.
If you count Hawaii and US territories in the pacific than the numbers would swing the other way, but IMO US mainland is the real metric here.
strunkenwhite
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Yeah, that's fair. I just eyeballed a globe and thought it was the other way 'round even from the mainland, but apparently I was wrong. It would certainly be, if not cheating, then an exploit to measure from Attu. (Or Guam, if including non-state territory.)
After fooling around with map tools, it also appears that Afghanistan is slightly closer to the presumed closest mainland point of Maine than Taiwan is to California. Also, the lines were being drawn to the respective centers of A-stan and Taiwan, and the latter is certainly farther from its border than the former.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
So, before I comment any further, I will ask, has anyone listened to the entire unedited phone conversation between Trump and Raffensperger? Because I have. I failed to see what exactly Kemp and Raffensperger were supposed to do differently. As for Trump…he showed his real character on that phone conversation, and I’ll leave it at that.
They were supposed to do a full audit like Arizona but wimped out and did a partial. A full audit would have helped Trump and that is what he was getting at
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
TyrantTriumphant
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Has anyone heard any recent news on the Arizona audit? I've heard some rumors that it stalled but noting concrete.
My impression is that without the routers/router data that the Cyber Ninja's asked for, and were denied despite the subpoena, they cannot complete a full audit of the election.
However they already found enough issues with just the physical ballots to get state officials calling to decertify their electors, as the amount of questionable ballots was larger than the difference between Trump and Biden's 'final' numbers.
Megadeath
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So... Did you listen?