Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
God help California if the Republicans employ the filibuster though
Breaking News Trump Impeachment 2: Electric Boogaloo
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The reason why Pelosi is there is to litterally call in every single favor she's collected in her long career and do any compromise she fucking has to do to make it happen. We have a very limited window to pull this off, we will use covid as an excuse for 20 years of incopmpetence to get the added sympathy points but this is important enough where we will strait out tell her to fuckign roll on issues.
Smart money is we back stab big tech hard, they will be offered up to the republican party for any vengence they want on a silver platter and we get our bailout. Depending on how pissed they are we will also sell out antifa and a host of other people because as a state we have zero leverage when the shit hits the fan.
If it does get filibustered and we dont get the bail out option and plan be is to declare bankrupcy. That still fucks us hard but we can recover from it, worse case senerio is a massive collapse.
If that happens the state turns red and stays red.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Of course the two impeachments of Trump on fundamentally false charges she let happen probably burned a metric fuckton of goodwill such as it exists with her Republican colleagues in both the house and Senate and with how close control of either them is yeah let's just say the Republicans are going to demand a lot
Doomsought
Well-known member
The goal was to replace goodwill with fear and deference. So far it has worked to get them halfway to their goals.
LindyAF
Well-known member
you doubt an old politician read a classic on politics that is like a hundred pages and takes an hour to read?
why?
Yeah its going to be very very fucking expensive, I never said she herself was bright only that we tolerate her fuck ups for a very important singular reason.
LindyAF
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Interesting article on the 7 defecting Republicans from VDARE. The general thesis is that among GOP senators being bad on immigration predicts for supporting impeachment and defecting on the GOP, or as the author puts it in another article "Propensity to betray Country is a good guide to propensity to betray colleagues and Party." This is generally a position I'm sympathetic toward, as I view immigration as the primary concern. However, it does not control for being weak on other issues, and I suspect this metric wouldn't substantially outperform something based on that, or any other specific issue that the GOP seems to tolerate members being weak on. For instance, if you took GOA rankings, you'd probably see much the same pattern.
Another interesting thing noted is that richard burr, the sole senator who voted that impeachment was unconstitutional and then voted to impeach anyway, was embroiled in insider trading scandal on senatorial briefings on coronavirus. This was bad enough that Tucker Carlson called on him to resign saying he "betrayed his country during a time of crisis." On Trump's last day in office, the justice department told burr they would not pursue charges against him. The author speculates that perhaps the justice department under biden used this to pressure him to reverse. This doesn't particularly make sense to me, since getting burr to defect clearly could not have changed the outcome. However, I think this is interesting insofar as it speaks to the character of our internal opposition.
Additionally, it's unclear to me if the decision by the justice department being made on Trump's last day in office indicates that Trump was behind it and trying to avoid blowback over it, or that he wasn't and the people who made it didn't wish for him to have time to become aware. If it's the first, though, I think this speaks to a tendency of Trump's to try to get in or get the establishment on board by overlooking or covering for people who rewarded it with either inconsequential flattering or active backstabbing. Whoever comes next can't have this flaw.
Another interesting thing noted is that richard burr, the sole senator who voted that impeachment was unconstitutional and then voted to impeach anyway, was embroiled in insider trading scandal on senatorial briefings on coronavirus. This was bad enough that Tucker Carlson called on him to resign saying he "betrayed his country during a time of crisis." On Trump's last day in office, the justice department told burr they would not pursue charges against him. The author speculates that perhaps the justice department under biden used this to pressure him to reverse. This doesn't particularly make sense to me, since getting burr to defect clearly could not have changed the outcome. However, I think this is interesting insofar as it speaks to the character of our internal opposition.
Additionally, it's unclear to me if the decision by the justice department being made on Trump's last day in office indicates that Trump was behind it and trying to avoid blowback over it, or that he wasn't and the people who made it didn't wish for him to have time to become aware. If it's the first, though, I think this speaks to a tendency of Trump's to try to get in or get the establishment on board by overlooking or covering for people who rewarded it with either inconsequential flattering or active backstabbing. Whoever comes next can't have this flaw.
He had no need too. He did nothing wrong
Trump was acquitted in both of his sham impeachments.
strunkenwhite
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Impeachment is not the same as potential criminal prosecution. Trump did not pardon himself, which I believe was both proper and smart.
Pardon himself for what? He was never convicted of any crimes.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
It wouldn't have done him any good anyways; the establishment clearly have no intention of even pretending to play by the rules anymore. They would just ignore a pardon if it suited them.
strunkenwhite
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So do you take the position that a president can legitimately pardon himself? I don't. I admit scholars seem divided on the question, but the very concept is an assault against equality under the law—I know, it's mangled often enough already, but explicitly giving the POTUS the power to be above the law anytime he's unscrupulous enough to exercise said power ... well, I have a higher opinion of our founding fathers than that. Happily, there's a technical argument as well as a "this is obviously a terrible idea" argument.
He can pardon anyone charged of any crime in the US.
Even himself.
He is not guilty, and neverbeen charged
honestly if the democrats are stupid enough to break that norm...thats a very good thing.
Think about all of the shit and scandels we found out about after a democrat left office, think about how corrupt the party is after decades of the media carrying their water and then just openly carrying them. If they go after trump after he leaves office the dinner bell is officially rung. One decient anti corruption campain could pretty much break the worst elements of the party in a couple years.
strunkenwhite
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There is no need to wait for a charge. As soon as a crime has been committed (or, I'd argue, as soon as an action has been taken that a person could potentially be prosecuted, rightly or wrongly, over), a pardon can be issued.
Yeah, I think we could use a fair amount more willingness to prosecute high level politicians. Some people worry about going too far in the witch hunt direction but I think most nationally famous politicians can scrounge up good representation one way or another.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
50 million dollars and three years based on lies and fraud, conducted by partisan political opponents of the man they were investigating.
The witch hunt ship has officially sailed.