Trump calls off Covid-19 stimulus talks until after election

[Rocinante]

Trump orders aides to halt talks on COVID-19 relief

President Trump said Tuesday that he has instructed his top aides to stop negotiating with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on future coronavirus stimulus legislation until after the November electi…

thehill.com

Considering how strong he's been talking about wanting to pass something, this came as quite a surprise to me.

What do you think? Good move, or will it bite him in the ass?

This will be played off as him holding relief over people's heads as a "bribe" to get them to vote for him.

"I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Trump tweeted.

 

[Deleted member]

Pretending to walk away is a classic negotiating tactic from "The Art of the Deal". The issue is if the Dems use it to spin against Trump before the voters, which is an X factor outside of the normal "Art of the Deal"....

 

[Rocinante]

Pretending to walk away is a classic negotiating tactic from "The Art of the Deal". The issue is if the Dems use it to spin against Trump before the voters, which is an X factor outside of the normal "Art of the Deal"....

This isn't going to play well for anyone who is suffering from pandemic hardships...and that's bipartisan.

I don't think this will play well for him at all.

He's a skilled negotiator, but unless he pulls off something big before the election, this is going to hurt him.

Maybe this is a "walk away" tactic. But it is going to need to pay off before elections, not after, for it to work in his favor

 

[nemo1986]

The problem is this is not a time to pull this. I feel this will reflect negatively on him. If he loses that is three months with no stimulus and a lot of people will have a bad time.

 

[Marduk]

negotiating with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)

Here's the problem.
Pelosi is considering these negotiations solely as a great opportunity to get Trump to lose as much votes in the election as possible whether an agreement is made or not, and Trump knows it. As such, negotiating before the election is a total waste of time.

 

[Rocinante]

The problem is this is not a time to pull this. I feel this will reflect negatively on him. If he loses that is three months with no stimulus and a lot of people will have a bad time.

If he played it off as "democrats won't pass anything if they think it'll help me win, so right after the election, whether I win or lose, we are going to pass this." that would have been MUCH smarter.

Here's the problem.
Pelosi is considering these negotiations solely as a great opportunity to get Trump to lose as much votes in the election as possible whether an agreement is made or not, and Trump knows it. As such, negotiating before the election is a total waste of time.

Yeah. If that's what he said he was doing, it would be smart.

If that's his plan, his tweet did a poor job getting that message out.

I had assumed Nancy would tank the talks to not get Trump any points. Why not call it out and let her, rather than giving them yet another easy talking point?

 

[IceWing_mk1]

The problem is this is not a time to pull this. I feel this will reflect negatively on him. If he loses that is three months with no stimulus and a lot of people will have a bad time.

Because, the congress hasn't been doing nothing for six months...

At the end of the day, the legislative branch controls the purse strings...

He has tried to negotiate, they said "No, give us what we want or nobody gets nothing!" The Senate was deadlocked. Nothing moved. That's on the two leaders.

My solution? Vote out BOTH parties and fill it up with libertarians. Of course, you still won't get stimulus, because the libertarians don't believe that's the place of government, but you won't have the establishment in charge any more either.

 

[Rocinante]

Because, the congress hasn't been doing nothing for six months...

At the end of the day, the legislative branch controls the purse strings...

He has tried to negotiate, they said "No, give us what we want or nobody gets nothing!" The Senate was deadlocked. Nothing moved. That's on the two leaders.

My solution? Vote out BOTH parties and fill it up with libertarians. Of course, you still won't get stimulus, because the libertarians don't believe that's the place of government, but you won't have the establishment in charge any more either.

I'm quite frustrated with both parties myself, right now.

 

[Terthna]

Because, the congress hasn't been doing nothing for six months...

At the end of the day, the legislative branch controls the purse strings...

He has tried to negotiate, they said "No, give us what we want or nobody gets nothing!" The Senate was deadlocked. Nothing moved. That's on the two leaders.

My solution? Vote out BOTH parties and fill it up with libertarians. Of course, you still won't get stimulus, because the libertarians don't believe that's the place of government, but you won't have the establishment in charge any more either.

Libertarians aren't libertarian; or, at least, the party isn't. If they got into power, they'd do pretty much the exact same things establishment Democrats or Republicans would do; undo everything Trump did, increase their own political power, and pay back favors to major corporations.

 

[Bacle]

Trump orders aides to halt talks on COVID-19 relief

President Trump said Tuesday that he has instructed his top aides to stop negotiating with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on future coronavirus stimulus legislation until after the November electi…

thehill.com

Considering how strong he's been talking about wanting to pass something, this came as quite a surprise to me.

What do you think? Good move, or will it bite him in the ass?

This will be played off as him holding relief over people's heads as a "bribe" to get them to vote for him.

The Dems were trying to shove a load of non-Covid shit into it, and Trump had repeatedly told them to 'get serious about this'. The Dems wanted payment to illegal immgrants and that was a no-go for the GOP.

The Dems didn't want to get serious, and focus on just Covid stuff, so Trump walked away.

 

[prinCZess]

The House has been shooting itself in the foot for months over this--I'm unsure how there were even much for talks when the Pelosi-preferred bill/idea was so far-removed from the Republican/Mnuchin bill/idea in amounts and spending targets.
Trump putting the kybosh to it just makes official what's been official in practice for weeks-to-months. Congress has been stymied--as it so often is--because everybody wants credit in elections, but doesn't want to sign on to something that could be used against them (Democrats don't want to give Trump/Republicans a 'win' and plenty of Republicans don't want the 'You hypocrite' attacks that write themselves when the typical campaign-thing they go on is not having the federal government spend bajiliions of dollars on [x,y,z]).

I honestly worry this just invites more 'executive action' bullshit ala what Trump did with ongoing unemployment funding alongside states--and that seems bad precedent to set.
Really needs to be some kind of filibuster-like delaying-action for presidential stuff like that (though I suppose court action functions as such? Be interesting to investigate that arena more).

 

[Marduk]

The Dems were trying to shove a load of non-Covid shit into it, and Trump had repeatedly told them to 'get serious about this'. The Dems wanted payment to illegal immgrants and that was a no-go for the GOP.

The Dems didn't want to get serious, and focus on just Covid stuff, so Trump walked away.

Seems like Shutdown 2.0. Which is a minor win for GOP, because ultimately, the people who most care about getting a stimulus and most need it are Democrats, and especially hard lockdown democrat states.

Meanwhile GOP electorate has more mixed feelings about another stimulus, the more libertarian wing may even be fine with not having one at all, which would be the effect of a continuing gridlock "default position", so such a gridlock theoretically alienates Trump less with his base than the Democrats with theirs, and on top of that, Trump is not the one insisting on having a bunch of COVID unrelated stuff in the bill.

Yeah. If that's what he said he was doing, it would be smart.

If that's his plan, his tweet did a poor job getting that message out.

I had assumed Nancy would tank the talks to not get Trump any points. Why not call it out and let her, rather than giving them yet another easy talking point?

He did call out the non-COVID money grab for blue states.

 

[Terthna]

I honestly worry this just invites more 'executive action' bullshit ala what Trump did with ongoing unemployment funding alongside states--and that seems bad precedent to set.

Unfortunately, that precedent had already been set by Obama; there's no going back now without a reset of the whole system.

 

[Marduk]

Seems like the posturing/non-negotiation continues.

 

[Rocinante]

Seems like the posturing/non-negotiation continues.

Now THIS is a good move.

Well fucking played. God damn.

Now the Dems have to do it, or be the ones who are denying people the relief, in the primary form that most Americans want and agree with.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Seems like the posturing/non-negotiation continues.

Another 4D chess moment from Trump. he's has the democrats cornered now.

 

[LordsFire]

I don't think the Dems will do it. If they do, Trump's name will be on the check (again), and that will work more in his favor, than theirs.

Fiscal conservatives (like myself) would also be less irritated by another one-off, than some massive omnibus spending increase.

 

[Cherico]

I don't think the Dems will do it. If they do, Trump's name will be on the check (again), and that will work more in his favor, than theirs.

Fiscal conservatives (like myself) would also be less irritated by another one-off, than some massive omnibus spending increase.

we wouldn't need a one off if the democrats didn't deside to make this a political thing, and purposefully shut down their economies. Really backing both the shut downs and the riots really should have obliterated pretty much all of their support, the fact that their as powerful as they are right now just goes to show how much institutional power they have.

I wonder how much of it they have pissed away.