United States Trump 2nd Term - Planning and Beyond
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I don't think this guy was RFKs pick. And now that he is aware (if he wasn't already) this guy and his buddies are gonna get fired.
On The Realignment, they point out that the Tech Right is a huge problem:
Vivek and the tech bros lean way libertarian in a bad way, while a lot of the Trump base is way more populist, because they're all about super economic conservative ideas that none of the electorate supports (for good and for ill).
They really don't get what people want from things like DOGE, and go super hard on the spending cuts, without thinking shit through and providing mitigations for any negative consequences to non-business owning populations.
There isn't really a way to backtrack from what his rant was about and how insulting it was to American culture.
Elon at least was willing to listen to people about why the have issues with H-1Bs, and didn't insult US culture, where as Vivek ranted and then pretended the people calling him out were all racists or ignorant.
Elon and Vivek are both technocrats, it's just Musk seems more willing to do self-reflection and change his views when presented with new info. Vivek turned out to be parasite and grifter trying to pretend to be a populist like MAGA, when he is a technocrat and grifter at heart.
The Tech Right types are not MAGA or populists, they just sometimes share goals and desires.
Never the less, Techo-Populism seems to be the way forward and MAGA is fairly steeped in it. At least from what I've seen.
I think the Techo-Populism is more about the AI and space race stuff, which is understandable.
That Vivek thought it meant it was also kosher to insult and demean US culture and imply H-1Bs are the only reason the US can compete with the CCP or Russia is where he lost the plot and any political future with the GOP.
No, that's likely the outlets lying about Trump's order and trying to gaslight.
AFAIK, it doesn't apply unless one or both parents are illegals.
I don't necessarily disagree with you about Vivek. Sad as it is. But, as for Techno-Populism its more about connecting with like minded individuals, sharing information, networking and getting news out by bypassing the legacy media. AI and Space tech are only apart of it.
I hope so. Meanwhile I've still got my dad, who's gone full NPC, telling me that he told me so.
I mean, I can get that Native Americans have very good reason to be suspicious of a lot of the stuff DC does, regardless of the party in control.
I would recommend showing him the actual text of the order, and remind him Native Americans are US citizens at birth, so they will not be affected.
That's total BS. Its ending birthright citizenship for the children of illegals looking to have a kid on US Soil. Not sure how far back it will go if its retroactive. Or just from this point on.
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It's explicitly from X date onward. I think the date was in February
What's the sitch?
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Assuming that removing birthright citizenship happens, its not going to be retroactive more than his inauguration if it all, and native are in no way affected by this, its telling that it had not even occurred to me that this was a possibility, it seems to be more likely something that a following democrat president would hold over their head to secure their votes.
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I wish it hadn't turned out like it did with Vivek, he turned out to be another "India first" Indian running a hustle while wanting to bring in all his family and extended relatives unfortunately. I have encountered many of these in my own life. I suspect he will be back later running for the democrats now and he is able to check a lot of there boxes in regards to candidacy.
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Regarding cartels, and terrorists while I don't think enough people would have the stomach for it. A lot of these types aren't afraid to die or are willing to die to protect their families, if you show you are willing to kill their families they might back off. That does lead to seeming like more outright war though on a world stage, and isn't "politically correct". Cartels can't hold it over their recruits if we would kill them anyway, I mean are we at war with them or not. Throughout all of history enemy groups held each other hostage to maintain peace, I am not sure why we thought we were above that.
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I wish it hadn't turned out like it did with Vivek, he turned out to be another "India first" Indian running a hustle while wanting to bring in all his family and extended relatives unfortunately. I have encountered many of these in my own life. I suspect he will be back later running for the democrats now and he is able to check a lot of there boxes in regards to candidacy.
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Regarding cartels, and terrorists while I don't think enough people would have the stomach for it. A lot of these types aren't afraid to die or are willing to die to protect their families, if you show you are willing to kill their families they might back off. That does lead to seeming like more outright war though on a world stage, and isn't "politically correct". Cartels can't hold it over their recruits if we would kill them anyway, I mean are we at war with them or not. Throughout all of history enemy groups held each other hostage to maintain peace, I am not sure why we thought we were above that.
Here's the actual article:
www.yahoo.com
Actually I'm feeling a lot better after reading that because it looks like what's being argued here is that Natives were previously not considered US Citizens because they weren't subject to US laws at the time birthright citizenship became a thing as a way to argue that illegal immigrants should likewise not have birthright citizenship. Naturally the media is conflating this to mean Trump means to remove birthright citizenship for Natives.
"Excluding Indians": Trump admin questions Native Americans' birthright citizenship in court
The Trump admin is leaning on a pre-14th Amendment law in its fight to redefine birthright citizenship
Actually I'm feeling a lot better after reading that because it looks like what's being argued here is that Natives were previously not considered US Citizens because they weren't subject to US laws at the time birthright citizenship became a thing as a way to argue that illegal immigrants should likewise not have birthright citizenship. Naturally the media is conflating this to mean Trump means to remove birthright citizenship for Natives.
I mean, our cartels would basically be the northern tribes in A-stan
Ohhh I can't wait!