Versus Match Triple Alien Alliance in 40k

[Scooby Doo]

Irrelevant to the codexes?

Citation?

That says they know what it does, not how it works.

"able to disintegrate matter and synthetic material "

What an idiotic statement.

The game you are citing is literally about the mechanicus raiding a necron tomb world for its technology.

No the idiotic statement is from the person who doesn't know the actual storyline. (Of which I played through versus someone reading a sentence from a wiki page aka you)

I'm not going to bother explaining a really complex several page long story because you have a misconception that you wouldn't change even if the creators of the GW codex themselves said you were wrong.


Just for the readers reading this that, no that's not accurate.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, we have Tau Firewarrior taking on so many things it should have died because of the lore reasons it wouldn't have survived the game.
Yet it did.
We have DarkTide where you face things you would generally send more then 4 people on in lore.
Yet Darktide is also canon, as are all games.

You have Inquitor martyr were a single inquisitier solos entire enemy armies including space Marines. ELDAR, Dark Eldar.
Which does not match with other lore.

Trying to say "Well in this ine game we have the Mechanicus, (who is a fucking Magos and more equivalent to that of higher end people on 40k) take on a tomb world by themselves and win" contradicts known lore.

In the very very VERY first Cain novel omnibus.
We have Cain escaping Necrons in a tomb world, because the Mechqnicus woke then up and didn't know what to do, and got wiped out.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I mean, we have Tau Firewarrior taking on so many things it should have died because of the lore reasons it wouldn't have survived the game.

The Tau Fire warrior enhanced by Chaos?

Argument debunked.

Yet it did.
We have DarkTide where you face things you would generally send more then 4 people on in lore.

Have you actually played the story for Darktide?

Yet Darktide is also canon, as are all games.

You have Inquitor martyr were a single inquisitier solos entire enemy armies including space Marines. ELDAR, Dark Eldar.
Which does not match with other lore.

Lol you never fight an entire army in the game only small groups at a time

Don't you ever get tired of making stuff up?
Seriously, come on post him taking an "Armies" at once. Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is lol

Trying to say "Well in this ine game we have the Mechanicus, (who is a fucking Magos and more equivalent to that of higher end people on 40k) take on a tomb world by themselves and win" contradicts known lore.

No it doesn't. Cope.

In the very very VERY first Cain novel omnibus.
We have Cain escaping Necrons in a tomb world, because the Mechqnicus woke then up and didn't know what to do, and got wiped out.

Yeah and this is a subsequent story that takes place after that written by Ben Counter the guy who wrote over forty novels for 40k and was consulted with to help write the story.
Black Library - Ben Counter

So unless you want to say these 48 novels are not canon. Please just do yourself a favor and don't post about 40k, reading off a wiki page doesn't make you the expert you think you are on it.

 

[Battlegrinder]

The Tau Fire warrior enhanced by Chaos?

Argument debunked.

Given that Chaos affiliated forces would also be incapable of pulling of a slaughter on that scale, I don't that actually addresses the original point at all.


I would also note that the way this thread was set up illustrates a broad issue with 40k, where it's so inconsistent between sources and depictions that trying to use it in debates devolves into everyone trying to argue about which version of 40k should count in the first place rather than what they do, and in the future I would advise that people define that in the OP rather than try and argue it out later, because that will go nowhere.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Given that Chaos affiliated forces would also be incapable of pulling of a slaughter on that scale, I don't that actually addresses the original point at all.

Hmm doesn't the Tau Fighter warrior just fight small groups of enemies at a time tho? So it'd be entirely possible to take nameless enemies and it's only out of scope of he takes out something ridiculous like a Titan or Spacemarine Chapter Master.

I would also note that the way this thread was set up illustrates a broad issue with 40k, where it's so inconsistent between sources and depictions that trying to use it in debates devolves into everyone trying to argue about which version of 40k should count in the first place rather than what they do, and in the future I would advise that people define that in the OP rather than try and argue it out later, because that will go nowhere.

I'd be willing to go that route but do you have a suggestion on how to go about that in mind?


Limiting to Codex feats or certain novels at a time perhaps?

Since 40k does not have a hierarchy of canon

 

[Battlegrinder]

Hmm doesn't the Tau Fighter warrior just fight small groups of enemies at a time tho? So it'd be entirely possible to take nameless enemies and it's only out of scope of he takes out something ridiculous like a Titan or Spacemarine Chapter Master.

It's possible in the sense that he never throws down with anything where it would be flat out suicidal for him to engage it (bar the endgame, but that's probably where Khorne helped out), but pulling that off time and time and time again over the course of hours with the other side never getting a hit in is not.

That's something you're overlooking in your arguments against Firewarrior and Inquisition: Martyr. Yes, it's only small grounds, but it's a constant battle against small group after small group, where even if you win, you're not going to walk away unscathed. Winning a hundred fistfights in a row is not any less impossible than winning a fight against a hundred guys all at once.


And yes, I think codex feats or feats from a certain novel would at least work better than "all of 40k, which means whatever you think it vs whatever I think it is and then that takes over the thread".

 

[Scooby Doo]

It's possible in the sense that he never throws down with anything where it would be flat out suicidal for him to engage it (bar the endgame, but that's probably where Khorne helped out), but pulling that off time and time and time again over the course of hours with the other side never getting a hit in is not.

That's something you're overlooking in your arguments against Firewarrior and Inquisition: Martyr. Yes, it's only small grounds, but it's a constant battle against small group after small group, where even if you win, you're not going to walk away unscathed. Winning a hundred fistfights in a row is not any less impossible than winning a fight against a hundred guys all at once.

I'll give you that for the Tau Fire warrior but for the Inquisitor there are gaps of time in between missions/levels where you can recuperate between and they have actual power armor with occasional allies.

The only one with out an excuse if the Fire warrior unless he was given some sort of regeneration then at that point it meshes fine.

And yes, I think codex feats or feats from a certain novel would at least work better than "all of 40k, which means whatever you think it vs whatever I think it is and then that takes over the thread".

Hmm problem with that is that some games are actually referenced in the novels (The ship from Warhammer Mechanicus was mentioned, and I think Captain Titus was mentioned in one too) and some novels contradict the codex.


And even the Codex of certain factions contradict that of the others.

There really isn't once source material that's consistent.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Hmm problem with that is that some games are actually referenced in the novels and some novels contradict the codex.


And even the Codex of certain factions contradict that of the others.

There really isn't once source material that's consistent.

Welcome to debating 40k.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Well all I know for sure is that the Admech are criminally underrated in vs debates, their Codex has them stronger than the Imperium in the ground game much stronger.

They're also definitely more organized due to the Noosphere but less unified as a whole.

 

[Zachowon]

The thing about martyr is his entourage technically follows and helps

 

[Vyor]

The mechanicus in your own source does not think the Imperium can fight a fully awakened Necron Dynasty.

 

[Scooby Doo]

The mechanicus in your own source does not think the Imperium can fight a fully awakened Necron Dynasty.

Yes you know the Imperium is not the Admech.
Please you're giving me a head with your stupid claims

Now if you meant the Admech and decided to pick one of the three endings (A recent novelization confirmed that they didn't die so the bad ending didn't happen) where it was said, you're ignoring that they were referring to the SINGLE damaged ship that was isolated from reinforcements.


Of course a fully awakened Tomb World would be too much for one ship.

 

[Vyor]

Yes you know the Imperium is not the Admech.

The admech is literally a faction of the imperium.

 

[Scooby Doo]

The admech is literally a faction of the imperium.

No the Admech is a faction that works with the Imperium, the treat of Mars is what binds them.

 

[Battlegrinder]

It has been repeatedly, unequivocally stated across who knows how many books and games that nercons out-tech everyone else in the setting, and that they make the best the admech has look primative and crude.

9th edition rulebook, pg 164:
"[The nercons] possessing an understanding of the sciences far exceeding that of the imperium" and that their battlefield weapons like the gauss rifles are rudimentary and crude compared to their overall tech base.

It's the entire reason the ad mech is so fascinated by them, they worship knowledge and technology and the nercons have more of both.

No the Admech is a faction that works with the Imperium, the treat of Mars is what binds them.

No, they're part of the Imperium (rulebook, pg 94 "owe fealty to the wider imperium", along with them being listed in the "armies of the imperium" section in the first place). A highly independent part, but still a faction of the imperium as a whole rather than their own thing. And when people refer to the imperium as a whole, they are referring to the admech as part of that.