Transgender Rights

[DarthOne]

The only transgender right should be a right to free psychiatrist sessions.

Preach it.

 

[Abhorsen]

The only transgender right should be a right to free psychiatrist sessions.

Nope. I don't believe in government given health care. In general, let adults do what they want.

More, I think that the rules should be up to the establishment. If a woke gym wants to have a trans inclusive locker room, let them only have male members, as that's the obvious consequence. The issue is government forcing a business to allow trans people into female only spaces.

 

[DarthOne]

Nope. I don't believe in government given health care. In general, let adults do what they want.

More, I think that the rules should be up to the establishment. If a woke gym wants to have a trans inclusive locker room, let them only have male members, as that's the obvious consequence. The issue is government forcing a business to allow trans people into female only spaces.

That's how we got to this mess. Standards must be upheld.

 

[Cherico]

IF I didn't know any better. It sounds like they were set up to do this for a different group but who would do such a thing?

if you follow the money? Transitioning is incredibly medically expensive and it pretty much ruins your health for life so you need constant very expensive medical attention.

 

[Abhorsen]

That's how we got to this mess. Standards must be upheld.

No. This mess happened because we didn't do this. We constantly stole money, fed it into institutions, allowing them to become communist. That's not leaving people alone.

 

[LordsFire]

No. This mess happened because we didn't do this. We constantly stole money, fed it into institutions, allowing them to become communist. That's not leaving people alone.

This needs to be repeated.

If government interference in academia wasn't funneling billions of dollars into wasteful nonsense, if it wasn't putting millions of people each year through useless degree programs, this wave of trans-trenderism either would have never developed at all, or would have been restricted to much smaller social circles.

Federal Student Aid was a mistake, and the sheer scale of trans-trenderisms is just one of many fruits of it.

 

[DarthOne]

This needs to be repeated.

If government interference in academia wasn't funneling billions of dollars into wasteful nonsense, if it wasn't putting millions of people each year through useless degree programs, this wave of trans-trenderism either would have never developed at all, or would have been restricted to much smaller social circles.

Federal Student Aid was a mistake, and the sheer scale of trans-trenderisms is just one of many fruits of it.

Yeah and it was all based on junk science that was nevertheless embraced by people because it allowed the LGBTQ movement to have the veneer of legitimacy and science to back it up.

Money is only part of the problem.

 

[Aldarion]

No. This mess happened because we didn't do this. We constantly stole money, fed it into institutions, allowing them to become communist. That's not leaving people alone.

To be fair, USSR also actively financed LGBTQWERTZ nonsense in the West, trying to destroy it from the inside.

And they succeeded. They just collapsed first.

 

[Scottty]

IF I didn't know any better. It sounds like they were set up to do this for a different group but who would do such a thing?

Maybe they were.
There was an article I read way back in 2002, where the author was discussing the way that the political establishment was suppressing free speech and discussion about certain topics, and was treating some people as exempt from criticism, more equal than others, etc.
The three groups were Jews, Blacks and Gays.
The bulk of the essay was setting forth the legitimate questions that, the author complained, had been "taken off the table" about the values and choices. One of those, I recall, was: "What is culturally wrong with African-Americans that would make large numbers of them convert to Islam - the religion that still supports slavery?"

But then at the end he made an important observation: when discontent with establishment misrule reached the boiling point, the elite would have those three groups that they had spent decades cultivating resentment against, any or all of whom could be thrown under the bus in an attempt to appease the mob.

 

[Abhorsen]

Yeah and it was all based on junk science that was nevertheless embraced by people because it allowed the LGBTQ movement to have the veneer of legitimacy and science to back it up.

Money is only part of the problem.

Money is in fact the entirety of the cause of the problem though. Why was that junk science done? Excess money.

To be fair, USSR also actively financed LGBTQWERTZ nonsense in the West, trying to destroy it from the inside.

And they succeeded. They just collapsed first.

The USSR only succeeded because the US system let them in. We made a machine with a ton of extra money that was basically a funding engine for those who like to navel gaze, theorize, and have too much pride. And that funding engine also gave them titles that 'proved' their own sense of superiority. Had communism never existed, they would have invented it.

 

[DarthOne]

Money is in fact the entirety of the cause of the problem though. Why was that junk science done? Excess money.

The USSR only succeeded because the US system let them in. We made a machine with a ton of extra money that was basically a funding engine for those who like to navel gaze, theorize, and have too much pride. And that funding engine also gave them titles that 'proved' their own sense of superiority. Had communism never existed, they would have invented it.

Not really. This shit started over in Weimar Germany. And then moved to the west when Hitler and his thugs came to power and (rightly) went after them for pushing mutilation and pedo-behavior. Which is one thing on a very short list I agree with the Nazis on. Along with anti-abuse laws for animals. Genocide isn’t one of them.

As I was saying, it festered and grew within the USA during the Cold War and was helped along. The Soviets didn’t start it, but they did take full advantage of it to help it spread.

It really took off under Kinsey, who invented the Kinsey Scale and all of the underlying ideology components that the modern LGBTQ movement is based on. Problem is, none of his studies were scientific and were dismissed at the time. Some of it was downright disgusting and disturbing.

Basically the guy was a pervert and used terrible methodology to justify it as normal.

It was only when the LGBTQ movement kicked up in the 80’s that this stuff was embraced as a way of normalizing homosexuality. Which in turn was used to normalize the Transgender movement.

TLdR: the Soviets didn’t start it, and the whole LGBTQ movement is built upon nonsense and sits on a throne of lies.

Edit; further clarification was seemingly needed and thus provided.

 

[Abhorsen]

Not really. This shit started over in Weimar Germany. And then moved to the west when Hitler and his thugs came to power and (rightly) went after them. Which is one thing on a very short list I agree with the Nazis on. Along with anti-abuse laws for animals. Genocide isn’t one of them.

By go after them, what you mean is shove the gays into concentration camps and use their pink triangles as target practice? Because that's what the nazis did.

It was not right for the Nazis to go after them. It was in fact deeply wrong. There's a difference between being gay, being a communist, and being a pedo. The latter two are evil, the first isn't.

 

[DarthOne]

By go after them, what you mean is shove the gays into concentration camps and use their pink triangles as target practice? Because that's what the nazis did.

No, I’m talking about the people who helped push transgenderism and pedo-behavior.

I am NOT referring to everyone who was homosexual. I think I was pretty clear on that point.

It was not right for the Nazis to go after them. It was in fact deeply wrong. There's a difference between being gay, being a communist, and being a pedo. The latter two are evil, the first isn't.

Yes and no.

As a Christian, I believe homosexuality is wrong. As someone who’s read up on Kinsey’s nonsense, I know the stuff he came up with is scientifically wrong and faulty.

Now, that said, I hardly want to throw everyone who’s homosexual into labor or death camps. Ideally, would like them to repent and stop engaging in such behavior.

But I would be more than happy if they stopped forcing non-child friendly stuff on kindergarten and grade-school children. I would also be happy if the lies of Kinsey (among others) were not being taught as facts in colleges and high schools.

That and please stop prancing around half-naked down the street with sex-toys and so on.

Mind you, I also want the non-homosexuals to please stop prancing around half-naked down the streets with sex toys and so on. So that’s hardly unique in that regard.

 

[Jormungandr]

No, I’m talking about the people who helped push transgenderism and pedo-behavior.

I am NOT referring to everyone who was homosexual. I think I was pretty clear on that point.




Yes and no.

As a Christian, I believe homosexuality is wrong. As someone who’s read up on Kinsey’s nonsense, I know the stuff he came up with is scientifically wrong and faulty.

Now, that said, I hardly want to throw everyone who’s homosexual into labor or death camps. Ideally, would like them to repent and stop engaging in such behavior.

But I would be more than happy if they stopped forcing non-child friendly stuff on kindergarten and grade-school children. I would also be happy if the lies of Kinsey (among others) were not being taught as facts in colleges and high schools.

That and please stop prancing around half-naked down the street with sex-toys and so on.

Mind you, I also want the non-homosexuals to please stop prancing around half-naked down the streets with sex toys and so on. So that’s hardly unique in that regard.

See, that's what a lot of religious people don't understand, won't admit, or cannot even comprehend: The value of "homosexuality is innately wrong" isn't shared by most people anymore.

People don't care if someone's gay, Bi, or a lesbian if they're just a regular person with a different orientation. That includes shagging their partners behind closed doors like any other hetero couple would do.

Basically:


The bottom guy on that list? Yeah, they're the people that are detested.

You're gay. Big fucking deal.

Whoopy-fucking-do.

We don't need to know about it.

But, to play Devil's Advocate, such widespread acceptance has resulted in the mess we're in now. Slippery slope, and all that.

I made a post before about "letting all things grow and it eventually killing the garden" or "remove all those things but flowers so it saves the garden". shrug

 

[DarthOne]

See, that's what a lot of religious people don't understand, won't admit, or cannot even comprehend: The value of "homosexuality is innately wrong" isn't shared by most people anymore.

People don't care if someone's gay, Bi, or a lesbian if they're just a regular person with a different orientation. That includes shagging their partners behind closed doors like any other hetero couple would do.

This is true for now at any rate. Though given some of the trends we are seeing, I wouldn’t be so sure that won’t change.

And Lord help you if some of the more radical types get their way should that happen. They are far, faaaaar more unpleasant than I would ever be.

Basically:


The bottom guy on that list? Yeah, they're the people that are detested.

You're gay. Big fucking deal.

Whoopy-fucking-do.

We don't need to know about it.

See my view at least is pretty much the same with a side-order of ‘what the non-obnoxious ones are doing is wrong, but I can at least respect them for NOT being obnoxious and freaky’.

 

[Jormungandr]

This is true for now at any rate. Though given some of the trends we are seeing, I wouldn’t be so sure that won’t change.

And Lord help you if some of the more radical types get their way should that happen. They are far, faaaaar more unpleasant than I would ever be.




See my view at least is pretty much the same with a side-order of ‘what the non-obnoxious ones are doing is wrong, but I can at least respect them for NOT being obnoxious and freaky’.

Oh yeah, more and more people are becoming "homophobic" because of the bottom guy (pun not intended), not because of the top guy. It's getting so bad that a lot of gays, Bis, and lesbians are trying to reform their own community again without these weirdos, or they're just distancing themselves from anything like that altogether because they know the backlash is growing.

The slippery slope is causing more and more people to think all gays, Bis, and lesbians are like Bottom Guy.

Much like with women and the whole mess that's resulted from hijacked MeToo, they should've cleaned house themselves -- now, women all over are basically being ostracized because of what they could do (even if they themselves wouldn't make an accusation), so men won't even associate with them anymore.

sigh Give it another generation or two, and things are likely going to be very unpleasant for women and gays, Bis, and lesbians because of all the shit happening now. I'm not talking about "Handmaid's Tale" bullshit, but discrimination becoming widespread again? Yeah, that's gonna happen, and they can only blame themselves because they fucked it up for themselves.

 

[DarthOne]

Oh yeah, more and more people are becoming "homophobic" because of the bottom guy (pun not intended), not because of the top guy. It's getting so bad that a lot of gays, Bis, and lesbians are trying to reform their own community again without these weirdos, or they're just distancing themselves from anything like that altogether because they know the backlash is growing.

The slippery slope is causing more and more people to think all gays, Bis, and lesbians are like Bottom Guy.

Much like with women and the whole mess that's resulted from hijacked MeToo, they should've cleaned house themselves -- now, women all over are basically being ostracized because of what they could do (even if they themselves wouldn't make an accusation), so men won't even associate with them anymore.

sigh Give it another generation or two, and things are likely going to be very unpleasant for women and gays, Bis, and lesbians because of all the shit happening now. I'm not talking about "Handmaid's Tale" bullshit, but discrimination becoming widespread again? Yeah, that's gonna happen, and they can only blame themselves because they fucked it up for themselves.

Probably so.

 

[DarthOne]

Not quite sure this belongs here or somewhere else? If a mod wishes to move this, please do.

San Francisco Prostitute Says He Killed Victim Who Realized He Is Transgender and Wanted Refund

SF Prostitute Says He Killed Victim Who Realized He Is Transgender

A prostitute is facing second-degree murder charges after a man was found dead near Crissy Field in San Francisco, California.

www.breitbart.com

A prostitute is facing second-degree murder charges after a man was found dead near Crissy Field in San Francisco, California, on November 12.

Officials arrested and charged 20-year-old Leion Butler on November 22, SFist reported Saturday.

Butler claims he shot 32-year-old Hamza Walupupu in self-defense during a dispute. The victim apparently had discovered the suspect was transgender and wanted his money refunded.

The outlet continued:

According to court documents filed in U.S. District Court, the incident reportedly unfolded on a November night when Butler agreed to a "date" with "everything" with Walupupu, who insisted on taking her to Crissy Field, where Butler was uncomfortable.
The encounter apparently took a dark turn after Butler disclosed her transgender identity following oral sex, prompting Walupupu to demand a refund.
However, the suspect reportedly refused to return the money and the victim tried to push him out of his vehicle.

Butler is accused of killing the man because he would not drive him back to the area where the initial pickup occurred.

Walupupu then tried to get out of the car. However, the suspect pulled a gun out of his purse and allegedly shot the victim.

An image shows the area where the incident allegedly happened:



The suspect is accused of leaving the body near Crissy Field, then going to Hunters Point to get help from his mother.

The suspect's mother allegedly helped clean up the vehicle and get rid of the victim's belongings.

In addition, the SFist report noted another incident over the summer when "Butler allegedly sprayed bear mace at a crowded Pride event, later resisting arrest by assaulting an officer."

Meanwhile, SF Public Safety News reported Wednesday that officials are apparently holding the suspect in the male wing of the San Francisco County Jail.

The outlet noted that Butler presented himself in court as a woman:



The suspect's attorney, David Rizk, said his client is apparently on a safe-keeping hold, "And I thought that was because of her gender – she's transgender – and they have a transgender unit at San Francisco jail."

"But she's currently being held at an all-male unit and I don't think that's appropriate at all. There's no privacy, every cell has a glass door…there's a whole variety of reasons why that's inappropriate. I'm concerned about the situation," he said.

In September, the California State Assembly voted to make the month of August "Transgender History Month," according to Breitbart News.

Because of course it’s San Francisco.

 

[Morphic Tide]

San Francisco Prostitute Says He Killed Victim Who Realized He Is Transgender and Wanted Refund

"In Soviet California, Hooker Kills You"

 

[Jormungandr]

Hiding your actual gender to a prospective partner, even if it's just paid-for sex, is going to get more and more people killed.

We're going to be seeing more cases like this and vice-versa.