Transgender Rights

[Typhonis]

Wasn't the average life span during the middle ages 25 to 33 years for most people? It takes time to raise kids.

 

[DarthOne]

Wasn't the average life span during the middle ages 25 to 33 years for most people? It takes time to raise kids.

That has more to do with infant death mortality bringing down the average from what I remember.

 

[Abhorsen]

Wasn't the average life span during the middle ages 25 to 33 years for most people? It takes time to raise kids.

Statistics are bad at this sorta thing. Basically, expected lifespan is a crappy metric for figuring out how long you will live, unless you only include people who've lived as long as you have. Once you get outta childhood, the lifespan spikes upwards.

 

[StormEagle]

Wasn't the average life span during the middle ages 25 to 33 years for most people? It takes time to raise kids.

People only living into their thirties during the medieval period is a rather popular myth, much like how the average peasant was afraid of bathing or witch burnings being common. Did they happen? Sure, but it wasn’t actually that prevalent.

I believe medieval life expectancy after childhood spikes to around fifties or sixties. Can’t really remember.

Infant mortality and various diseases hitting underdeveloped childhood immune systems tended to drag the average down significantly.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Because therapy is a sign that something's wrong.

And they can't admit that trans is something wrong.

Here is what I don't get. Since when is it a shame to be sick and seek treatment? No one shames someone for having a broke leg and wanting to go to the doctor to get a cast. What about mental health is so different. The brain is not the soul, it's an orgin just like every other part of the body.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

People only living into their thirties during the medieval period is a rather popular myth, much like how the average peasant was afraid of bathing or witch burnings being common. Did they happen? Sure, but it wasn’t actually that prevalent.

I believe medieval life expectancy after childhood spikes to around fifties or sixties. Can’t really remember.

Infant mortality and various diseases hitting underdeveloped childhood immune systems tended to drag the average down significantly.

still low by todays standards. That being said...I wonder how much our own life expectancy statistics are going to be skewed by suicide.

 

[mandragon]

As with most things, i'm generally in the middle here. I see what you're saying, but I think you're veering outrageously into "gay panic" territory. There's very little being taught in schools that (should be) particularly controversial. They're teaching that gay people exist, and that it's ok to be gay. That's basically it.

The public education system is exactly that... public. It's quite literally state run. It's in the name. The state has an outright obligation to ensure the kids in the public education system are being educated with what the majority of society accepts. The neat part is, if you're an outlier and you are argle bargled over a school teaching your child that gay people exist... you don't actually HAVE to send them to public school. You are entirely within your right to home school. No rights are being removed. If you CHOOSE to send a child to public school, you're consenting for them to be taught what the public school teaches. If you disagree with that, that's totally acceptable. Pull them out and home school, or perhaps search for a charter school that has a political bent more to your liking.

It's really not fascism when you have the choice to not participate. It's just... politics you don't like, so, "fascism".

The state pushing an ideology onto children in thier schools in defiance of the parents wishes is 100% fascism. That is a true statement no matter what said ideology is,the state defacto stripping parents of thier natural rights is rhe issue not gay people

 

[Abhorsen]

The state pushing an ideology onto children in thier schools in defiance of the parents wishes is 100% fascism. That is a true statement no matter what said ideology is,the state defacto stripping parents of thier natural rights is rhe issue not gay people

No, it absolutely isn't. It has nothing to do with fascism, unless they are specifically pushing the ideology of fascism, like they did in Nazi Germany.

One could say it's authoritarian, sure. But there's no implication they are pushing blood and soil of any sort, or hypernationalism (in fact, frequently they are pushing the opposite). The USSR did this, and that wasn't fascism, that was communism. Indoctrination of kids is standard in all countries. From the Pledge of Allegiance to the USSR to Hitler Youth to history classes focusing on their country.

You are just identifying a thing you don't like as fascism, because fascism is bad. Please, if you want to disagree, tell me what specific fascistic qualities it has that are unique to fascism, and not generically in any government that does child indoctrination.

 

[mandragon]

No, it absolutely isn't. It has nothing to do with fascism, unless they are specifically pushing the ideology of fascism, like they did in Nazi Germany.

One could say it's authoritarian, sure. But there's no implication they are pushing blood and soil of any sort, or hypernationalism (in fact, frequently they are pushing the opposite). The USSR did this, and that wasn't fascism, that was communism. Indoctrination of kids is standard in all countries. From the Pledge of Allegiance to the USSR to Hitler Youth to history classes focusing on their country.

You are just identifying a thing you don't like as fascism, because fascism is bad. Please, if you want to disagree, tell me what specific fascistic qualities it has that are unique to fascism, and not generically in any government that does child indoctrination.

No I'm using fascism as a synonym for authoritarian which as you say is inaccurate. Still though it is most definitely unacceptable and unconstitutional to defacto strip parents of thier rights. The fact that the ideology being pushed is gay acceptance is irrelevant all that matters is the parents object and the state continues to do so.

 

[Abhorsen]

No I'm using fascism as a synonym for authoritarian which as you say is inaccurate. Still though it is most definitely unacceptable and unconstitutional to defacto strip parents of thier rights. The fact that the ideology being pushed is gay acceptance is irrelevant all that matters is the parents object and the state continues to do so.

I mean, it's definitely constitutional, it's just that there's a lot of shit stuff that is constitutional.

The big problem is that every government school is going to indoctrinate kids. I'd honestly say that teaching kids values is a big part of education generally, and if parents won't, teachers will (and bad teachers will also do so anyway). And teaching values is just another name for indoctrination.

 

[mandragon]

I mean, it's definitely constitutional, it's just that there's a lot of shit stuff that is constitutional.

The big problem is that every government school is going to indoctrinate kids. I'd honestly say that teaching kids values is a big part of education generally, and if parents won't, teachers will (and bad teachers will also do so anyway). And teaching values is just another name for indoctrination.

The issue isn't indoctrination the issue is paretal consent all education is indoctrination to varying degrees.

 

[King Arts]

Homeschooling is the way to go. With homeschooling you know exactly what your child is being taught, and who is around influencing them.

Pair that with limited internet access until they are a teenager at least and you have a solid foundation to build from. Assuming you actually put in the work to teach the kid and don't slack off.

I have to completely disagree. You should not homeschool your children unless you are rich enough to hire tutors or are very intelligent yourself. There are two main reasons first is that the kids being homeschooled might not be be academically taught well this is a problem the low class evangelicals and baptists will have. The second issue is that the kids will be sheltered, especially if you limit access to everything so they don't know anything. You want to teach them about other sides especially the enemy so they won't rebel and go full woke the second they get freedom.

As if you've cited any evidence. Samurai weren't nobles btw, that's yet another blatant falsehood you've pushed, and you are flat out ignoring all the other examples of pederastic homosexual culture. Are Harvey Milk and George Takei ancient Greek Nobles?

And lol no, you were the one to bring up kin selection to justify modern "gayness" being "natural". Ignoring of course how "naturalness" says nothing about whether humans should tolerate something for humans, I brought up the most obvious way pederastic grooming can be caused by genes driving kin selection. You were the one to go on about animals as a part of your "naturalness" argument, and try for speculation on alternative paths to avoid facing the obvious.



Nope, European commoner women married for the first time on average between 18 and the mid 20s. Marriage exists for raising children, and only the well to do have the resources to immediately reproduce on physical maturity.

Lol the fuck? What fucked up definition are you using where Samurai are not nobles. Samurai are basically Japense knights how are knights not nobles?

Your knowledge of history is pretty fucking spotty not sure we can trust your takes.

 

[Jormungandr]

As if you've cited any evidence. Samurai weren't nobles btw, that's yet another blatant falsehood you've pushed, and you are flat out ignoring all the other examples of pederastic homosexual culture. Are Harvey Milk and George Takei ancient Greek Nobles?

And lol no, you were the one to bring up kin selection to justify modern "gayness" being "natural". Ignoring of course how "naturalness" says nothing about whether humans should tolerate something for humans, I brought up the most obvious way pederastic grooming can be caused by genes driving kin selection. You were the one to go on about animals as a part of your "naturalness" argument, and try for speculation on alternative paths to avoid facing the obvious.



Nope, European commoner women married for the first time on average between 18 and the mid 20s. Marriage exists for raising children, and only the well to do have the resources to immediately reproduce on physical maturity.

Huh, looks like I was confusing three things: Legally they could marry at 12 for girls and 14 for boys, but practically they married between 17--24 (according to a quick Google results comparison); the Romans, however, apparently basically encouraged their 12 year old kids to marry.

 

[Simonbob]

Here is what I don't get. Since when is it a shame to be sick and seek treatment? No one shames someone for having a broke leg and wanting to go to the doctor to get a cast. What about mental health is so different. The brain is not the soul, it's an orgin just like every other part of the body.

Both are something wrong.

But one is obvious, both in the injury, and the effects. What will happen while you're recovering from a broken leg? Not able to use it/walk on it.

Mental problems are a different issue. You can't see them, you can't be sure of their effects, and at any point you might get a reaction you really don't expect, potenualy a nasty one. Unpredicable is another word for dangerous.

 

[Scottty]

As if you've cited any evidence. Samurai weren't nobles btw,

Taking the medieval European concept of "nobles" and applying it to people of a totally different culture on the other side of the planet?
"When you look only for yourself in the other, you fail to see the other."

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Unpredicable is another word for dangerous

so is ineffective. If we want to learn how to treat mental health effectively (and not let it turn into a mass-killing plague) we first have to acknowledge that it exists/ Then again it took the black plague for people to take hygiene Seriously...maybe it'll take a population collapse for use to take mental health seriously.

 

[Jormungandr]

Taking the medieval European concept of "nobles" and applying it to people of a totally different culture on the other side of the planet?
"When you look only for yourself in the other, you fail to see the other."

Although they weren't nobles by the European definition, they had many, if not the same, duties, including being "knights" for their feudal lords.

Call a potato a potato, but it's still the same vegetable.

 

[Scottty]

so is ineffective. If we want to learn how to treat mental health effectively (and not let it turn into a mass-killing plague) we first have to acknowledge that it exists/ Then again it took the black plague for people to take hygiene Seriously...maybe it'll take a population collapse for use to take mental health seriously.

A lot of today's mental health problems are caused by things that would themselves just go away if some sort of civilization-ending collapse happened. Just saying.

 

[Jormungandr]

A lot of today's mental health problems are caused by things that would themselves just go away if some sort of civilization-ending collapse happened. Just saying.

Well, when people are looking for food, shelter, and other necessities, making your orientation, mental illness, or your fetishes the core of your personality naturally takes a backburner.

Unless, you know, these people are used for Soylent Green or zombie bait.

 

[Simonbob]

so is ineffective. If we want to learn how to treat mental health effectively (and not let it turn into a mass-killing plague) we first have to acknowledge that it exists/ Then again it took the black plague for people to take hygiene Seriously...maybe it'll take a population collapse for use to take mental health seriously.

For most of human history, if you had a problem of that type, you went to your priest. And your priest gave you as much help as most get from therapy.

Even just having somebody to trust to talk to helps more than most know. But.... If you have to pay somebody to care, to be trustworthy, is that really worth it?