Transgender Rights

Zachowon

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Thats a fundamental misunderstandings of that culture. They were a religious group that styled themselves as neither man nor woman, effectively to elevate themselves above the common people.

They have absolutely nothing to do with modern trans ideology.
Non Binary.
Nit trans I think was the point
 

Scottty

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Okay, let's take a look:
The Talmud, a huge and authoritative compendium of Jewish legal traditions, contains in fact no less than eight gender designations including:


  1. Zachar, male.
  2. Nekevah, female.
  3. Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
  4. Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
  5. Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth but later naturally developing male characteristics.
  6. Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
  7. Saris hamah, identified male at birth but later naturally developing female characteristics.
  8. Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.

Okay, so far it looks like they were describing people who were born intersex - not clearly anatomically differentiated.
That's not the same thing at all as the modern notion of people who are clearly physically one sex, deciding that they want to "identify" as the other.

Dishonest to claim those Rabbis disbelieved in "the gender binary" when everything they said presupposed it.
Yet another case of moderns looking superficially at ancient cultures - and seeing only their own reflections.

Then it goes on...

In fact, not only did the rabbis recognize six genders that were neither male nor female, they had a tradition that the first human being was both. Versions of this midrash are found throughout rabbinic literature, including in the Talmud:
Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar also said: Adam was first created with two faces (one male and the other female). As it is stated: “You have formed me behind and before, and laid Your hand upon me.” (Psalms 139:5)
Eruvin 19a

Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar imagines that the first human was created both male and female — with two faces. Later, this original human being was separated and became two distinct people, Adam and Eve. According to this midrash then, the first human being was, to use contemporary parlance, nonbinary. Genesis Rabbah 8:1 offers a slightly different version of Rabbi Yirmeya’s teaching:

Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar: In the hour when the Holy One created the first human, He created him as an androgynos (one having both male and female sexual characteristics), as it is said, “male and female He created them.” (Genesis 1:27)
Said Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachmani: In the hour when the Holy One created the first human, He created for him a double face, and sawed him and made him backs, a back here and a back there, as it is said, “Behind and before, You formed me” (Psalms 139:5).
Genesis Rabbah 8:1

Okay, 10 out of 10 for la-la-land whackiness, Mr ben-Elazar. But I still don't see anything supporting the idea that someone who is visibly, physically, anatomically a man, can legitimately start demanding that everyone pretend he's a woman, because he chooses to "identify" as one inside his head.

Some of those ancient Jewish commentators make one wonder if they were competing among themselves as to who could come up with the most batshit insane interpretation of passages randomly pulled from the Old Testament, but I suspect that modern "non-gender-binary" people would look just plain crazy even to them.
 

ThatZenoGuy

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Okay, let's take a look:


Okay, so far it looks like they were describing people who were born intersex - not clearly anatomically differentiated.
That's not the same thing at all as the modern notion of people who are clearly physically one sex, deciding that they want to "identify" as the other.

Dishonest to claim those Rabbis disbelieved in "the gender binary" when everything they said presupposed it.
Yet another case of moderns looking superficially at ancient cultures - and seeing only their own reflections.
My dude.
  1. Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
  2. Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.

 

Scottty

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My dude.
  1. Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
  2. Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.

Because they totally had such modern things as hormone replacement therapy or gender reassignment surgery back in the time when the Jewish Temple was still standing? Really?

In any case, they were talking about the people's bodies, in the context of such people being able to have children or not, and the legal implications thereof in regard to marriage, etc.
"Gender" as something that exists in your mind, totally distinct from your physical reproductive organs, would have been an alien concept to those people.
 

ThatZenoGuy

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Because they totally had such modern things as hormone replacement therapy or gender reassignment surgery back in the time when the Jewish Temple was still standing? Really?
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Well...
 

Bear Ribs

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Interesting reporting going on...


Spoke to Rachel, a friend of Eucy, the Ballard resident who died by suicide yesterday while being evicted by King County Sheriff's deputies. Rachel says her friend had tried to get help in paying rent but had exhausted all options. More from Rachel on her friend.

Sad story isn't it? Poor trans person committed suicide after being evicted.


The devil's in the details of course, they kinda left out the part where Eucy opened fire on three officers, critically wounding one, before shooting itself when surrounded. That part wasn't important, just that a trans person committed suicide.
 

Yinko

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Damn it! Book burning nazis are supposed to be the bad guys!

Funny story, someone donated a few hundred copies of John Oliver's "Marlon Bundo" gay rabbit book to a children's literacy non-profit. They couldn't donate them because they were political, they couldn't give them away because nobody wanted them, and they couldn't dispose of them because it would violate their charter. So they still have them to this day, as far as I am aware, in a tower of boxes going up to the ceiling.
 

DarthOne

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Interesting reporting going on...


Spoke to Rachel, a friend of Eucy, the Ballard resident who died by suicide yesterday while being evicted by King County Sheriff's deputies. Rachel says her friend had tried to get help in paying rent but had exhausted all options. More from Rachel on her friend.

Sad story isn't it? Poor trans person committed suicide after being evicted.


The devil's in the details of course, they kinda left out the part where Eucy opened fire on three officers, critically wounding one, before shooting itself when surrounded. That part wasn't important, just that a trans person committed suicide.

That’s sadly the sort of reporting I expect from the Leftoids.
 

DarthOne

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Damn it! Book burning nazis are supposed to be the bad guys!
Tell me about it.

What’s worse is that you’ve got neo-Nazis and adjacent morons trying to use this to slippery slope their ideology back into relevance by going ‘see, the Nazis were right about this one thing so clearly their the good guys and everything else they did was good!’. Albeit it obviously not in those exact words.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Okay, what the fuck is going on in the States right now?

I just came across this video from The Quartering that some trans-trender nut went into a private school and shot up the place...?


Again? This happened 2 years ago. Some 14 year old girl with autism got groomed by a literary devil worshipper trooned out then shot up her school only to get sat on by this fat kid who she shot so she got pinned by his corpse.

It's happening again now?
 

Jormungandr

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Again? This happened 2 years ago. Some 14 year old girl with autism got groomed by a literary devil worshipper trooned out then shot up her school only to get sat on by this fat kid who she shot so she got pinned by his corpse.

It's happening again now?
Yeah -- looks like something new has gone down.

A trans-trender artist apparently went batshit, entered a private school, and shot up the place, from what I've gathered.
 

DarthOne

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It's the conservatives fault, they promote violence against transgenders and give guns without background checks in gun shows, how many more have to die before guns are taken off the street?

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Is what a Spacebattles lefty would say
It wouldn’t be so funny if it wasn’t true.

Also no way in Hell will the MSM and the LGBTQ groups allow the fact that the person doing this has any connection with the trans-community. The fact that they’re already being labeled a ‘trans-trended’ is proof of this.

It certainly won’t remain in the national news cycle for long, unless their confident they can obscure the Trans angle. Just like the incident a two years back, they will bury this.
 

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