Transgender Rights

[Abhorsen]

On the other hand, I find the focus on gender dysphoria above all silly, when I would argue the key determinent is often gender euphoria because otherwise it's really really hard to seperate gender dysphoria from more "standard" dysmorphia or even pick it out specifically from severe depression or the like, and I've observed this with at least one friend who thought they might be a boy due to hating their body so much but then hated boyhood just as much and detransitioned before they could go on HRT.

Also note but estrogen actually decreases your sex drive, although ymmv depending on dosage and the individual.

I'm saying that as a minimum trans people must have a gender dysphoria. The problem with euphoria is that wanting to be X because it's fun is quite bluntly fine, but not anything that deserves any type of legal protection. There needs to be harm, not lack of benefit, for there to need some sort of legal solution. In such a case, there would be absolutely zero reason for health insurance to consider transition surgery as anymore important than other cosmetic surgery. I also would be euphoric about losing another 15 pounds, having a non-receding hairline, and a stronger jaw.

 

[King Arts]

I frankly don't even know what you're trying to say here except "im mad that the transes exist"

Also lol I'm literally just flipping your arguments on their head, I'm not projecting, I am emphasizing an argument's absurdity.


@Abhorsen has the right of things in regards to child prostitution btw, the data is a mess there, as evidenced even by its wikipedia article, and im reaalllyyy not qualified to talk one way or another seeing as I have no academic or personal experience.

On the other hand, I find the focus on gender dysphoria above all silly, when I would argue the key determinent is often gender euphoria because otherwise it's really really hard to seperate gender dysphoria from more "standard" dysmorphia or even pick it out specifically from severe depression or the like, and I've observed this with at least one friend who thought they might be a boy due to hating their body so much but then hated boyhood just as much and detransitioned before they could go on HRT.

Also note but estrogen actually decreases your sex drive, although ymmv depending on dosage and the individual.

Edit: edit for clarity, my friend has not gone on hrt.

God you leftests are clowns. Even if I believed your claims about reality any decent person would not want trans people to exist. Under your view trans people suffer from gender dysphoria they were born “in the wrong body” so Blair white for example was born male but desires and wishes he was born female. Any compassionate person who believes that wouldn’t want trans people to be born they’d rather people like that were born as real girls.

But here is the thing they will never be a real woman.

Edit it’s like wanting more cripples to be born to show how progressive you are. Just because you want to eliminate people from being crippled does not mean you want death camps it can mean you want to cure the disease and make people be born healthy.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

*sees how the conversation has gone off the rails at the hands of a couple of people. *

As uncivilized at it is, times like this are where I miss the days when people settled debates by "Taking it outside.

"Ok groomer."

"Translumanti"


really guys?

 

[King Arts]

*sees how the conversation has gone off the rails at the hands of a couple of people. *

As uncivilized at it is, times like this are where I miss the days when people settled debates by "Taking it outside.

"Ok groomer."

"Translumanti"


really guys?

You do realize that people stopped taking it outside as you say because the alphabet crowd was getting s it’s ass kicked like pansies and they cried to big daddy govt.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

You do realize that people stopped taking it outside as you say because the alphabet crowd was getting s it’s ass kicked like pansies and they cried to big daddy govt.

you're talking to someone who's not a fan of government. It's done nothing to stop conflict. it's just monopolized use of force. in any case though it's not changing the fact you guys are acting like children. if your going to act like children you might as well settle conflicts like children.

example:

 

[King Arts]

you're talking to someone who's not a fan of government. It's done nothing to stop conflict. it's just monopolized use of force. in any case though it's not changing the fact you guys are acting like children

I’m not acting like a child. If I was I’d probably say something like you’ll never be a woman just to fuck with you even though most people on this site are normal well normalish men.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I’m not acting like a child. If I was I’d probably say something like you’ll never be a woman just to fuck with you even though most people on this site are normal well normalish men.

still doesn't excuse immortal watch dog and lazer raptor.

 

[Husky_Khan]

still doesn't excuse immortal watch dog and lazer raptor.

No offense to either of them but... Honestly... seems pretty inevitable considering those two. The former ain't got no filter and the latter basically emerges to troll twice a year.

 

[Captain X]

I suppose we're just supposed to believe there's been a mass coverup in academia and by every level of media organization to enable trans people to prey on children, when academia is perfectly happy to have uncomfortable conversations about abuse rates in lgbt relationships or incidence of partner violence against trans women, not infrequently by other trans women? Pull the other one.

There was literally just an example of a "trans woman" raping a female student and the school literally covered it up and sent the kid to another school to be someone else's problem.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Eh, press X to doubt here. There is quite simply no good data on this, and many of the studies commonly cited are flawed:

http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/prostitution/Juvenile_Prostitution_factsheet.pdf

You're running on the theory that because a greatly inaccurate study that multiplied its results several times to get 2.4 million cases was inaccurate, therefore a much tighter study that yielded 100,000 is also inaccurate. AKA a strawman.

And given that big FBI operations across the country rescued less than 80 child prostitutes (but somehow 104 "pimps", my guess is that a number of the pimps are prostitutes who turned 18 and then drove a kid one time), I'd guess the real number to be smaller.

FBI: Nationwide child prostitution sweep leads to 104 arrests, 79 children rescued | CNN

During a three-day law enforcement sweep targeting teenage prostitution, officers rescued 79 children and arrested 104 alleged pimps, the FBI announced Monday.

edition.cnn.com

That was a single operation that took place over just 3 days, not "Big FBI Operations."

A look at more than a single brief action by the FBI* yields 54,000 investigations and 8,500 arrests in 2016 alone, which sounds just a touch better. Considering the clearance rate for these kinds of crimes (Epstein's multi-decade loli express yielded how many arrests again? It was thousands, right? Right?), 100,000 is pretty reasonable.

*Who are not well respected for their anti-pedophile stance around here.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

There was literally just an example of a "trans woman" raping a female student and the school literally covered it up and sent the kid to another school to be someone else's problem.

do you happen to have that article on hand? I don't want to like unless I can verify.

 

[Abhorsen]

You're running on the theory that because a greatly inaccurate study that multiplied its results several times to get 2.4 million cases was inaccurate, therefore a much tighter study that yielded 100,000 is also inaccurate. AKA a strawman.

No, the source I cited showed problems with a number of the studies, not just one of them, and also didn't even spend much time on the 2.4 million number.

As for your number, it doesn't even link back to an actual study. It links to a book, which cites this US government report, which just gives a number once without a citation. The other citation goes to this, which just says "Experts estimate that each year at least 100,000 children in the United States are exploited through prostitution".

There simply aren't enough arrests/rescues to get to 100,000.

American Sex Police

With sweeping "sex trafficking stings," the FBI returns to its roots as the nation's vice squad.

reason.com

That was a single operation that took place over just 3 days, not "Big FBI Operations."

A look at more than a single brief action by the FBI* yields 54,000 investigations and 8,500 arrests in 2016 alone, which sounds just a touch better. Considering the clearance rate for these kinds of crimes (Epstein's multi-decade loli express yielded how many arrests again? It was thousands, right? Right?), 100,000 is pretty reasonable.

*Who are not well respected for their anti-pedophile stance around here.

The arrests took place over three days, AFAICT. The investigations ahead of time certainly took more than 3 days.

And the issue isn't the number of arrests, but the number of kids saved. I just can't count up to 100,000 counting by 80s.

As for your reference, that was crimes against children in general, including child porn and rape, not just prostitution. Also, a search through the document (I might have missed it) gave no impression that child sex trafficking is going to be that high.

The best evidence was ICE numbers, which found 1000 or so victims ID'd per year. But that a) would be irrelevant with regard to linking trans people to that, and b) aren't necessarily in the US, as these are ID'd victims, not rescued ones:

Victim Identification Program (VIP)

Although the traditional law enforcement goal in combating child exploitation is often viewed as arresting and prosecuting predators, the true goal is to protect children. In furtherance of this goal, ICE HSI launched the Victim Identification Program (VIP) in December 2011. Its mission is to combine technological and investigative capabilities and resources to recover child victims of sexual exploitation. The VIP is a simple idea that combines traditional investigative techniques with cutting-edge technology for the purposes of rescuing child victims of sexual exploitation. The victim identification process starts with the discovery of new child abuse material (images, video, and/or audio) which depicts an unidentified minor or minors being sexually abused. ICE HSI analyzes and enhances the material in order to identify clues that may lead to the identity of the victim, suspect, or geographic location. When enough clues come together to form a viable lead, the lead is sent out to the appropriate ICE HSI field office for follow-up investigation. ICE HSI is increasingly dedicating more of its time and resources towards identifying and rescuing the victims of child sexual exploitation and the prevention of these crimes.

Quite bluntly, I don't see enough numbers at all.

do you happen to have that article on hand? I don't want to like unless I can verify.

The Loudon County case.

Loudoun County Schools Tried To Conceal Sexual Assault Against Daughter In Bathroom, Father Says | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

There was literally just an example of a "trans woman" raping a female student and the school literally covered it up and sent the kid to another school to be someone else's problem.

Multiple trans people and multiple kids or in the case of that poor bastard who got arrested and touted out as an extremist.

His daughter was raped multiple times at two different schools by two different trans kids

 

[Abhorsen]

Multiple trans people and multiple kids or in the case of that poor bastard who got arrested and touted out as an extremist.

Hus daughter was raled multiple times at two different schools by two different trans kids

I thought it was the opposite: this wasn't the first time that trans kid had raped?

 

[WolfBear]

I'm saying that as a minimum trans people must have a gender dysphoria. The problem with euphoria is that wanting to be X because it's fun is quite bluntly fine, but not anything that deserves any type of legal protection. There needs to be harm, not lack of benefit, for there to need some sort of legal solution. In such a case, there would be absolutely zero reason for health insurance to consider transition surgery as anymore important than other cosmetic surgery. I also would be euphoric about losing another 15 pounds, having a non-receding hairline, and a stronger jaw.

TBH, I think that insurance should cover a lot of body modification surgeries since that way, it helps those who have bad bodies to significantly improve them and thus to reduce the amount of body privilege that other people have in comparison to themselves.

BTW, what about someone such as myself who gets a lot of dysphoria from their body hair and facial hair but who doesn't actually identify as trans per se (I mean, I could identify as either male or non-binary, but labels aren't really important to me)? Honestly, I generally detest what male puberty has done to my body. The only positives are the tall height and you know what down there. Everything else has been a negative. The body hair, the facial hair, the baldness starting from my 20s, et cetera.

 

[Cherico]

TBH, I think that insurance should cover a lot of body modification surgeries since that way, it helps those who have bad bodies to significantly improve them and thus to reduce the amount of body privilege that other people have in comparison to themselves.

BTW, what about someone such as myself who gets a lot of dysphoria from their body hair and facial hair but who doesn't actually identify as trans per se (I mean, I could identify as either male or non-binary, but labels aren't really important to me)? Honestly, I generally detest what male puberty has done to my body. The only positives are the tall height and you know what down there. Everything else has been a negative. The body hair, the facial hair, the baldness starting from my 20s, et cetera.

Your going to want to use an old fashioned safety razor the blades are cheaper and you get a better shave

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I thought it was the opposite: this wasn't the first time that trans kid had raped?

That's what I thought too, but the guy was claiming something else on an interview with Carlson.

The trans kid in question was a serial offender but evidently there was like a retaliatory assault on his kid by a seperate LGBTWTFLMAO kid for daring to come forward.

Which ten years ago I would have automatically called bullshit on but now the woke crowd acting like a gang wouldn't surprise me.

 

[WolfBear]

Your going to want to use an old fashioned safety razor the blades are cheaper and you get a better shave

My razors are good enough, thank you. I just want to get full-body and facial laser hair removal once I can actually afford this.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Your going to want to use an old fashioned safety razor the blades are cheaper and you get a better shave

This, straight razors are hella elegant on their own and a man who dresses like an old school dandy ain't exactly something to disparage. Especially in this era of absolute disrespect to the self.

 

[WolfBear]

This, straight razors are hella elegant on their own and a man who dresses like an old school dandy ain't exactly something to disparage. Especially in this era of absolute disrespect to the self.

TBH, if I actually had the body for it, I'd like to dress like a (chubby/pregnant--since I'm a bit fat myself) female rather than like a dandy.