Transgender Rights

[KilroywasNOTHere]

for a society proud of its Wagner and high class operas, it was seen as bad. In a lot of ways, because it was consumerist, low brow, and worse American.

*must avoid lewd jokes.*

A culture is only as strong as the guns to keep it. We came we saw and we conqoured they lost. end of story.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Well not technically given the US didn't actually invade Germany in 1919. Wilhelmine Germany was might what you'd call very snooty and high class. So things we might see as normal-modernist lit and jazz were seen as debased and of lower culture than what Germans considered of value.

The liberalization of its society was less due to the loss of the war and more the end of the Kaiser and the social system he represented.

Though in fairness, liberalization happened everywhere after the end of the first world war, or it did in Europe anyway.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Weimar Berlin was a hell of a lot better than what came after it.

A lot of German society hated that their society had been transformed from Wilhemine Germany into Sodom over night. And then the party collapsed in 1929, with the Great Depression. Turns out a degenerate society can't handle crisis that well. I mean and no-it wasn't good for everyone. There were politicians and newspaper magnates having sex with little boys in drag. Women were forced into prostitution, it was a horribly depraved culture.

Still better than Nazis.

Right, sometimes you get so mad that other people are having sex, you just gotta have a little genocide.

So according to you @worm that walks


Little boys in drag, little boys and girls being made into prostitutes and women forced into prostitution is good then and its nothing to be upset about. Just a little sex. Are you leftist btw? Just a question cause it really then calls into question the whole rape culture leftism loves to bang on about and how its the worst thing ever.

Instead of rejecting both, you want the previous.

 

[Deleted member 88]

And then for no reason at all the people elected Hitler.

It wasn't because damn people don't like little boys in drag fellating bankers and newspaper magnates. It wasn't because the economy had collapsed and all that Weimar glamor about social progress proved unable to feed bellies and keep men employed. Apparently any degeneracy even the most exploitive is okay, because the Nazis became its leading opponent.

Pederasty and sexual abuse of children is apparently A-Ok because the Nazis promised to and did shut it down.

The state of modern left-liberalism today folks.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

And then for no reason at all the people elected Hitler.

It wasn't because damn people don't like little boys in drag fellating bankers and newspaper magnates. It wasn't because the economy had collapsed and all that Weimar glamor about social progress proved unable to feed bellies and keep men employed. Apparently any degeneracy even the most exploitive is okay, because the Nazis became its leading opponent.

Pederasty and sexual abuse of children is apparently A-Ok because the Nazis promised to and did shut it down.

The state of modern left-liberalism today folks.

Leftists have openly said humanity must die cause "muh oppression" and "muh earth"

I don't give a shit about the Nazi's. But still that post encapsulates that leftism and liberalism are morally bankrupt.

On one day, they go on and on about protect women, rape is destruction of the universe and they want to protect kids and then the next day, its just sex.

Leftists don't care about the people who died at the hands of the Nazi's as anything other then props to shame people and the West. This is clear by how they love to cover up for Stalin and China.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Fun fact, transgender research was done in the capital of early 20th century degeneracy, Berlin.

Few people realize just how utterly depraved the Weimar Republic was. You had pederasty, homosexual orgies, bestiality, it was in every city.

Care to present actual evidence supporting these claims, let alone your clearly intentional implication that LGBT people were to blame for the rise of the Nazis?

 

[Deleted member 88]

Care to present actual evidence supporting these claims, let alone your clearly intentional implication that LGBT people were to blame for the rise of the Nazis?

Berlin was a hotbed of homosexuality and a mecca for transsexuals

An uninhibited urban gay sexual scene flourished in 1920s Berlin. The science of ‘transsexuality’ was founded at the Institute of Sexual Science where the first male-to-female surgery was performed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Insane Facts About The Free-For-All Sexual Culture Of Weimar Germany

The Weimar Republic, also known as interwar Germany, lasted from 1919 and 1933, and was basically a sexual free-for-all. In terms of sexual liberation and divine decadence, there was nothing more in-your-face than the Berlin sexplosion of the '20s. So what was really going down? You've probably...

www.ranker.com

The Sexual Decadence of Weimar Germany (UPDATE)

The Sexual Decadence of Weimar Germany Berlin was a liberal hotbed of homosexuality and a mecca for cross dressers ...

peopleus.blogspot.com

Paradise regained

Weimar Berlin's depraved, sin-filled nights tantalize the imagination anew in Mel Gordon's "Voluptuous Panic."

www.salon.com

This is a variety of sources, and not all right wing, if your concerned about bias-salon and ranker.

Sexual degeneracy of a kind not seen until today was flaunted in Berlin and Hamburg.

This galvanized traditionalist forces who would not stand for it.

Here's another source-https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057%2F9780230358904_5.

The Nazis were not the only group in society that opposed this, but large sections of Germany did. The Nazis simply coalesced such sentiments of the people to win their support. And no, "homosexuality was responsible for Nazism" was not my point.

 

[Deleted member 88]

***Just as a note, while I am opposed to sexual degeneracy and Weimar culture, my elaboration on the reaction to it, which the Nazis happened to lead should not be taken as support of Nazism. But rather an objective historical diagnosis as to why in part the Nazis emerged. So just to be clear in case of any confusion-I'm not a Nazi nor do I support Nazism. I do however think that understanding the context in which Nazism came to be, and what they opposed domestically must be understood. This notice is for anyone reading these two threads, member or guest, as well as the staff.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Apologies for the Weimar derail. Of which was in part my fault.

Anyways, my personal opinion on transgenderism is that it is a spiritual sickness and sign of mental disorder. Though I don’t blame kids who are confused, I blame the people that cause them confusion, for those that are clearly lost I want them to receive help in all forms.

My personal policy on the issue would balance strict enforcement against the promotion of transgenderism, especially to children, and young adults, with compassionate care for those that are lost in sexual confusion and spiritual debuachery.

At the same time, I am firmly opposed to it, both it’s promotion and it’s practice. It is degenerate and a sign of a failing civilization that is spiritually dead.

 

[worm that walks]

Apologies for the Weimar derail. Of which was in part my fault.

Anyways, my personal opinion on transgenderism is that it is a spiritual sickness and sign of mental disorder. Though I don’t blame kids who are confused, I blame the people that cause them confusion, for those that are clearly lost I want them to receive help in all forms.

My personal policy on the issue would balance strict enforcement against the promotion of transgenderism, especially to children, and young adults, with compassionate care for those that are lost in sexual confusion and spiritual debuachery.

At the same time, I am firmly opposed to it, both it’s promotion and it’s practice. It is degenerate and a sign of a failing civilization that is spiritually dead.

"Spiritual debauchery" give me a fucking break. These same people got just as pissed off over interracial relationships and inter-relgiious relationships. And their response to getting pissed was to murder as many gay people, Jews, and Gypsies as they could. So why should we give a shit what they thought about anything?

 

[LordsFire]

"Spiritual debauchery" give me a fucking break. These same people got just as pissed off over interracial relationships and inter-relgiious relationships. And their response to getting pissed was to murder as many gay people, Jews, and Gypsies as they could. So why should we give a shit what they thought about anything?

Talk about smearing with a broad brush. Billy Graham was a personal friend of Martin Luther King, and had no problem with inter-racial marriage, but had issues with homosexual 'marriage.'

I have no issues with inter-racial relationships. I have at least one in my own ancestry. I have no problem with inter-denominational relationships. I think relationships between people of different religions is rarely wise, because that will usually mean people with very different values and ideologies are trying to live together, and that's asking for all kinds of friction, but I'm hardly going to try to push legislation against it. I still think homosexuality is immoral.

How about this. You tell me what your religious ideology is, and I'll start claiming you're the same as the worst people who claimed similar beliefs. That'd certainly be both accurate and appropriate, wouldn't it?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Talk about smearing with a broad brush. Billy Graham was a personal friend of Martin Luther King, and had no problem with inter-racial marriage, but had issues with homosexual 'marriage.'

I have no issues with inter-racial relationships. I have at least one in my own ancestry. I have no problem with inter-denominational relationships. I think relationships between people of different religions is rarely wise, because that will usually mean people with very different values and ideologies are trying to live together, and that's asking for all kinds of friction, but I'm hardly going to try to push legislation against it. I still think homosexuality is immoral.

How about this. You tell me what your religious ideology is, and I'll start claiming you're the same as the worst people who claimed similar beliefs. That'd certainly be both accurate and appropriate, wouldn't it?

I think he's talking about hitler's regime Lordfire.

 

[worm that walks]

Talk about smearing with a broad brush. Billy Graham was a personal friend of Martin Luther King, and had no problem with inter-racial marriage, but had issues with homosexual 'marriage.'

I have no issues with inter-racial relationships. I have at least one in my own ancestry. I have no problem with inter-denominational relationships. I think relationships between people of different religions is rarely wise, because that will usually mean people with very different values and ideologies are trying to live together, and that's asking for all kinds of friction, but I'm hardly going to try to push legislation against it. I still think homosexuality is immoral.

How about this. You tell me what your religious ideology is, and I'll start claiming you're the same as the worst people who claimed similar beliefs. That'd certainly be both accurate and appropriate, wouldn't it?

Yeah, I was talking about the people getting mad in Weimar. I don't have any problem with Christians or religious people generally. Sorry for being unclear. That would have been a real shitty thing to say about Christians.

 

[Aldarion]

"Spiritual debauchery" give me a fucking break. These same people got just as pissed off over interracial relationships and inter-relgiious relationships. And their response to getting pissed was to murder as many gay people, Jews, and Gypsies as they could. So why should we give a shit what they thought about anything?

Modern "progressive" ideology comes from Communist USSR, which murdered royalists, traditionalists, conservatives and all other undesireables by millions (and was, in fact, very quickly forced to renounce most of "progressive" ideals such as sexual freedom because they were ruining the society). If you want to dismiss something due to mass murders commited in the name of said something, you won't be able to believe in anything. EDIT: Or at least anything which appeared as an idea in post-Enlightenment era, and 20th century in particular.

 

[worm that walks]

Modern "progressive" ideology comes from Communist USSR, which murdered royalists, traditionalists, conservatives and all other undesireables by millions (and was, in fact, very quickly forced to renounce most of "progressive" ideals such as sexual freedom because they were ruining the society). If you want to dismiss something due to mass murders commited in the name of said something, you won't be able to believe in anything. EDIT: Or at least anything which appeared as an idea in post-Enlightenment era, and 20th century in particular.

Killing the tsar was one of the few actually good things the Soviets ever did. Also, that "renouncing" largely happened under Stalin, whose also a piece of shit. When you are defending something Stalin and Hitler agreed on, you might want to rethink your position.

 

[Aldarion]

Killing the tsar was one of the few actually good things the Soviets ever did. Also, that "renouncing" largely happened under Stalin, whose also a piece of shit. When you are defending something Stalin and Hitler agreed on, you might want to rethink your position.

In that case, we will have to give up half of what makes up modern states: public schooling, social security, state military, anti-capitalism... basically, if we are to reject everything that Hitler and Stalin agreed on, we ought to go back to feudal monarchy.

Which might not be the worst of ideas, all things considered.

 

[worm that walks]

In that case, we will have to give up half of what makes up modern states: public schooling, social security, state military, anti-capitalism... basically, if we are to reject everything that Hitler and Stalin agreed on, we ought to go back to feudal monarchy.

Which might not be the worst of ideas, all things considered.

Did you know Stalin's regime declared homosexuality a sign of fascism, the same way Hitler's claimed it was caused by socialism?

Because murderers who want to tell other people how to live their lives are pretty much the same.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

In that case, we will have to give up half of what makes up modern states: public schooling, social security, state military, anti-capitalism... basically, if we are to reject everything that Hitler and Stalin agreed on, we ought to go back to feudal monarchy.

Which might not be the worst of ideas, all things considered.

dictators are kings with a post industrial revolution skin and none of the romanticism of medieval era nostalgia so we'd have to get rid of that too.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Killing the tsar was one of the few actually good things the Soviets ever did. Also, that "renouncing" largely happened under Stalin, whose also a piece of shit. When you are defending something Stalin and Hitler agreed on, you might want to rethink your position.

Butchering a dethroned leader and his family is a good thing? Murdering people in cold blood is good?

edit: The Tsar had already been removed from power by the Whites anyways, so I fail to see how killing him does anything.

 

[The One Char]

Killing the tsar was one of the few actually good things the Soviets ever did. Also, that "renouncing" largely happened under Stalin, whose also a piece of shit. When you are defending something Stalin and Hitler agreed on, you might want to rethink your position.

Oh Shit, we have a tankie.