"TradWives" Triggering Unhappy Feminists

[Lord Sovereign]

I had to put our dog down last month. That was sad. Having to bury one of my children might break me.

The loss of the doggo is a heavy thing as it is, because even if it isn't offspring it is a part of the family.

But to lose a child is a horror no parent should have to endure.

 

[DarthOne]

The loss of the doggo is a heavy thing as it is, because even if it isn't offspring it is a part of the family.

But to lose a child is a horror no parent should have to endure.

Yet already too many are doing so. And I fear darker days lie ahead. And yet even darker ones if we do not fight.

 

[Captain X]

On the one hand, it's their pooch. I love dogs, so I can understand wanting to do something like this.

On the other hand, it's $40,000. What the fuck...

It sure must be nice having money like that. But you know what, it's their money, and it's none of my business how they spend it. I'll just laugh at them because I think they're wasting it.

 

[mrttao]

I genuinely believe that she is onto something here. Though I would have the addendum of 'Unless the woman in question already has kids. And even then, she should not have more pets than she has children.'

If she has kids, it isn't her pet, it is the child's pet

 

[Jormungandr]

It sure must be nice having money like that. But you know what, it's their money, and it's none of my business how they spend it. I'll just laugh at them because I think they're wasting it.

Yes, it's their money and they spend it how they wish.

Doesn't stop people from criticizing her choices, though.

 

[colorles]

That's what you and I are on about. Pets are pets, and they can be well loved, but they aren't humans or people.

But not to her.

Because deep down, she wants kids. But society, and feminism, have basically shamed mothers and potential into having as few children as possible, in the name of working for a corporation. Or told them, they can have it all! And that turning out to be a lie, so she has to likely unconsciously settle for a surrogate.

So she puts a lot of effort and misapplied love into what should be a pet/animal companion. And projects all of that maternal instinct onto the dog. That dog is probably more or less treated like a special needs human toddler. And not a pet/animal companion.

This repeats throughout Western society, some of it all over the world. We see it with little girls and their dollies, all the way up to crazy cat ladies. The doll, the pet, the random person, they all get adopted into the position of 'child' in order to fulfill the need to be a mother.

For every single mother who realizes what she wants is a human baby and goes to a fertility clinic, there are probably hundreds if not thousands of women using substitutes like dogs.

Sometimes it's really overt. IIRC Alyssa Milano is on record stating that every time she feels the baby itch she goes and buys a horse.

And, of course, I'm sure that there's an actual psych paper on this. It's probably buried, and the person who wrote it is now a homeless bum after being #MeToo'd.

This is actually incredibly sad.

 

[Jormungandr]

This is actually incredibly sad.

That's another poison of feminism.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

That's another poison of feminism.

It’s funny. Some could mistakenly label us as “feminists” because we for the most part aren’t sticklers for “separate spheres theory” or think that women belong only in the kitchen.

But we can’t help but notice how feminism has almost tried to turn women into men and wound up making both men and women utterly miserable. The doctrine, rotten fruit of the Enlightenment that it is, is poisoned at its core.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Some could mistakenly label us as “feminists” because we for the most part aren’t sticklers for “separate spheres theory” or think that women belong only in the kitchen.

Don't worry, nobody could ever make that mistake.

Honestly, this entire thread just shows how polarized the internet has become over feminism. In the mainstream forums like SB or SV, expressing opposition to or disagreement with feminism or feminists is basically painting a target on your back. In this teensy little political forum, you'll get mobbed if you thing feminists are anything other than 19th century caricatures of uppity spinsters who need to know their place.

And guess what? It's not even open knowledge in either place. I can tell you right now that not a single mod will ever rule that SB is a feminist forum, and few here will ever admit to being biased against women. So what we get is circular, inbred discussions where anything that isn't the majority opinion is ignored completely and no interesting debates ever take place.

 

[Scottty]

Don't worry, nobody could ever make that mistake.

Honestly, this entire thread just shows how polarized the internet has become over feminism. In the mainstream forums like SB or SV, expressing opposition to or disagreement with feminism or feminists is basically painting a target on your back. In this teensy little political forum, you'll get mobbed if you thing feminists are anything other than 19th century caricatures of uppity spinsters who need to know their place.

And guess what? It's not even open knowledge in either place. I can tell you right now that not a single mod will ever rule that SB is a feminist forum, and few here will ever admit to being biased against women. So what we get is circular, inbred discussions where anything that isn't the majority opinion is ignored completely and no interesting debates ever take place.

 

[Scottty]

On a more serious note - part of the problem is that there's no fixed definition of what a "feminist" is. And that's partly by design, as they have to keep moving goalposts in order to have something to complain about.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Feminists also oppose the draft for males, and always did.

 

[DarthOne]

Feminists also oppose the draft for males, and always did.

Got a source for that one? Because I find that very difficult to believe. And if it is true, I'd bet it's a recent thing that's being done so they can't also get drafted.

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

Feminists also oppose the draft for males, and always did.

Until the war starts.

Like what happened in WW1 and WW2 when the building spirit of feminism coming out of the suffragette 'mysteriously' disappeared from most women.

But I suppose they are no longer feminists, so you get to remain correct, oh except.

Some quick research says that feminists are divided on this issue as well, depending on their stance on war. Some feminists think women should be drafted, just like men. Some think it should be abolished, and others think men need to sacrifice more for their country with the draft being key in making men bleed and suffer so that they can maybe, finally equal the bleeding and suffering women (particularly mothers) go through for their country.

This is all from the first page of 'do feminists oppose the draft?' google search. The Wikipedia blurb about conscription and sexism at the top was pro-everyone for the draft.

Looks like it's a nuanced issue, even for feminists who keep the spirit of feminism in them when war comes.

 

[Cherico]

Feminists also oppose the draft for males, and always did.

white feather women world war 1.....

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

white feather women world war 1.....

Those weren't real communi- feminists! *shakes fist*

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Got a source for that one? Because I find that very difficult to believe. And if it is true, I'd bet it's a recent thing that's being done so they can't also get drafted.

Conscription and sexism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

white feather women world war 1.....

Touché.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

white feather women world war 1.....

Suffragettes handing out white feathers after spending the better part of a decade carrying out terrorism is one of history’s great ironies.

Meanwhile the Suffragists, the ones who put in the real leg work to get the vote, were very much anti-war. Millicent Fawcett, their leader, was a real one who opposed the First World War from beginning to end.

 

[DarthOne]

Conscription and sexism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Touché.

within the women's movement. Prominent suffragists like Quaker Alice Paul, and Barbara Deming, a feminist activist and thinker of the 1960s and 1970s, were ardent pacifists. Moreover, feminist critique has often regarded the military as a "hierarchical, male-dominated institution promoting destructive forms of power.

So typical feminist claptrap. Got it.

 

[DarthOne]

Suffragettes handing out white feathers after spending the better part of a decade of terrorist activity is one of history’s great ironies.

Meanwhile the Suffragists, the ones who put in the real leg work to get the vote, were very much anti-war. Millicent Fawcett, their leader, was a real one who opposed the First World War from beginning to end.

Why am I not surprised? Oh right. Pattern recognition.