Yinko
Well-known member
Yeah, that might work, if anything happened in meat-space anymore. Ignore a chick in real life once, and you'll still never see her again, or she'll think you're gay or something.
"TradWives" Triggering Unhappy Feminists
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Bullshit war on porn nonsense.
Yinko
Well-known member
In this particular case, they don't denounce porn, they say that you shouldn't trust porn-stars.
Can you elaborate?
Yinko
Well-known member
Rogan, his guest and the picture-in-picture guy are all like "if a chick is doing only fans, dump her ass". Rogan says that the mixed messages bring strain to the relationship, while the guy from Tribe of Men says that women who sell themselves are whores. Either way, the message is one of prizing exclusivity. If you looked at this video out of context, it would seem to support AI generated porn, as it would destroy services like only fans, and thus force women into a more normal world-view.
I guess that still just comes off as bullshit war on porn stuff to me.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Porn is destructive. Like any other self-destructive addiction, attempts to outlaw it are going to be fruitless, if not counter-productive, but it should still absolutely be seen as shameful, because it is.
That is your opinion. I know there are studies, but just like a lot of studies done by both the right and the left, these were done with the conclusion decided ahead of time and confirmation bias was used to cherry-pick evidence supporting that conclusion. Porn can be destructive, because it can be addictive. So can many, many other things. Of course, while it can be destructive through use, it can also be destructive thanks to attitudes like yours.
They're not wrong -- never date an Only Fans girl.
If your girlfriend, fiance, or wife sets one up, it's ultimatum time. This is absolutely a deal-breaker on the level of "do you want kids in the future?" or "do you have a few hundred thousand in debt?".
If they refuse, dump their arses.
Despite their protests, it's sex work. Degrading sex work at that, even if they get a high from the "easy money". Men with self-respect don't date sex workers, they pay them for a temporary good time.
Women are also starting to realize the downsides of being an e-whore -- there are many videos coming out from women who jumped on the OF bandwagon, especially during the Lockdowns, who are openly stating that it was the worst decision of their lives.
They're perceived to be easy whores.
Careers, especially in the medical industry and teaching which have take them years to create (especially with the education and training needed for specialized fields), have ended as employers and parents don't want their businesses tainted by association, or they don't want any potential dramas resulting from one of their employees showing their tits and bits online for all to see.
Relationships have crashed and burned because no man with self-respect wants a sex worker for a girlfriend, fiance, or wife.
Kids are being bullied because their classmates and peers can see their mothers' tits and arses on their phones.
Any man who was interested in them seriously immediately discounts them into the "pump'n'dump'n'ghost" pile instead of the "relationship" pile on discovering their "side-hustle".
Basically, they're trading their futures, their careers, and their reputations for an easy, quick buck -- most OF whores are in their late teens or twenties, and while there are a percentage that are thirty plus, the phrase "the Wall comes for everyone" aptly applies. Youthful looks are fleeting, so after they've sacrificed everything and have aged like milk, gained a terrible social stigma, what then?
Amusingly, the platform has become oversaturated now, so the easy money isn't so easy anymore, so a lot of the new girls are doing in vain for little gain.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no prude -- but I'm not a moron with no self-respect that'd date a sex worker or CC Rider.
And I'm going to disagree with that attitude. I absolutely would date a woman who had posed nude in the past or even if she still was. And I do very much have self-respect.
ETA: And I just have to add, frankly, I find your views to be very hypocritical. Much like with Leftists, you hold others to one standard while holding yourself to another.
ETA: And I just have to add, frankly, I find your views to be very hypocritical. Much like with Leftists, you hold others to one standard while holding yourself to another.
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People are allowed to have preferences and standards.
The reason why dating across america has gotten to be such a god awful process is because mens standards are too low, and it allows way too much bad behavior. The nudes thing isn't the worst of it a lot of guys will wave that off ass youthful stupidity which we all go through its just how absoluty horrid some women are on dates.
I mean, my rule on dates is if their mean to the wait staff the date is over and I'm leaving right then right there.
You have no idea how many times I've enforced that rule.
Then I honestly feel a bit of pity for you.
If someone wants to be a sex worker, that's their choice. However, that choice has consequences, and despite what people like to say, sex, perception, and reputation are different and are applied differently for men and women.
This "Only Fans Generation" fails to see the consequences of their choices until it's too late. They're too blinded by the glitter and gold to see the price.
If a woman dumps a guy because she found out he does/did sex work, or eliminates any thought of settling down with him because of it? I'd fully agree with and support her choice, though my view may be in the minority compared to most other people. shrug
Do you really think the average man or woman is going to bring someone home to meet the family and say, "Oh, and by the way, John/Jane here is a sex worker"? Noope! And keeping such things hidden? Yeah, no, it all comes out eventually.
Is it unfair? Are they double-standards? Yeah. But them's the breaks. It's reality.
Dating standards have become so fucked up that women who look like Jabba the Hutt's sister or twin are turning down every man remotely interested in them, and they're after those with the "Multiple Sixes" -- the top 5% of men, basically.
Only, those top percenters? Yeah, they're the ones who already have someone they've settled down with, or are dating multiple supermodels and getting away with it because those supermodels know that a slice of the pie is better than none of the pie.
Culturally and socially, women have become, well, conceited and arrogant. They always presume and demand.
And, holy shit, don't even go into CC Rider/Single Mother territory, especially those who have had "Oopsie Babies!" from multiple Chads and Tyrones.
There are many reasons why an increasing amount of men are just walking away from women or becoming Passport Bros. Dating in the West is a dumpster fire because women have become, on the whole, dumpster fires.
We could fix it pretty easily.
Get rid of alimony and child support and don't give any welfair to unmarried parents.
That right there will be 5-10 years max of pain and then things will drastically improve. Id say at least 80% of this is caused by government involving themselves in things they have no business getting into.
Yeah, they can. What's being talked about here goes beyond that, though.
The dating problem stems mostly from how men have been painted as potential rapists and plenty of other issues the MGOTW crowd would probably be all too happy to go over with you about. Women have been posing nude and doing a lot more for a camera for a lot longer than that. The internet simply makes it more accessible and easier for someone to start up their own small business, so to speak.
But that isn't what's being talked about, though. What's being talked about is women (and apparently specifically women) being essentially blacklisted for life because they posed nude (because mostly that's what OF is, if it even goes beyond teasing nudity). The person I am responding to doubles down on it even by holding himself to a different standard.
Did you see any of that even brought up in this conversation?
Which is the main source of the problem.
And frankly a lot of the price is thanks to people just being assholes.
Be a pretty asshole thing to do no matter who does it, depending on the context, of course. If someone can't handle it, I could understand that. But acting like they need to wear a scarlet letter or something, and are a lesser person, that's just being an asshole.
This isn't a deal-breaker for everyone, you know. There's also nothing wrong with discretion (something the Left has trouble with on this topic).
No, that's just being an asshole. Rules for me but not for thee. This is part of why I roll my eyes at you when you say you pity me and try to claim you have higher standards. Seems to me that I hold myself to a higher standard than you do, simply by virtue of the fact that I do not expect out of others what I do not expect out of myself.
I would certainly rework things. I don't know if I'd cut it completely simply because in some cases, like one of the parents being killed, that would be like kicking someone when they are down. But I would certainly rework things to encourage both parents being in the picture rather than the way things are now to basically encourage single mothers staying single.
I think the main issue is that most Western women don't hold themselves accountable for the consequences of their own actions.
It's always someone else's fault. It's always someone else's responsibility to fix or support their fuck ups. It's always their problem, not yours -- even when it comes to infidelity.
"Oh, it's your fault because you weren't paying attention to me and because you were working your arse off to support us, so I decided to spread my legs for the first man who gave me a scrap of attention instead of trying to talk to you."
There are many things that could be done to help fix society, but to do so you'd have to root out the anti-men bias in a lot of things, such as divorces, custody hearings, making paternity tests mandatory upon birth, laws and procedures being rewritten so that the man automatically isn't presumed to be the party in the wrong e.g. handcuffing him when he's bleeding and the crazy bitch is holding a bloodied knife, et cetera.
Of course, suggesting any of this makes you a misogynist. smh
Yeah, I still feel pity for you, though it's not out of disbelief but because of how naive I think you are.Yeah, they can. What's being talked about here goes beyond that, though.
The dating problem stems mostly from how men have been painted as potential rapists and plenty of other issues the MGOTW crowd would probably be all too happy to go over with you about. Women have been posing nude and doing a lot more for a camera for a lot longer than that. The internet simply makes it more accessible and easier for someone to start up their own small business, so to speak.
But that isn't what's being talked about, though. What's being talked about is women (and apparently specifically women) being essentially blacklisted for life because they posed nude (because mostly that's what OF is, if it even goes beyond teasing nudity). The person I am responding to doubles down on it even by holding himself to a different standard.
Did you see any of that even brought up in this conversation?
Which is the main source of the problem.
And frankly a lot of the price is thanks to people just being assholes.
Be a pretty asshole thing to do no matter who does it, depending on the context, of course. If someone can't handle it, I could understand that. But acting like they need to wear a scarlet letter or something, and are a lesser person, that's just being an asshole.
This isn't a deal-breaker for everyone, you know. There's also nothing wrong with discretion (something the Left has trouble with on this topic).
No, that's just being an asshole. Rules for me but not for thee. This is part of why I roll my eyes at you when you say you pity me and try to claim you have higher standards. Seems to me that I hold myself to a higher standard than you do, simply by virtue of the fact that I do not expect out of others what I do not expect out of myself.
I would certainly rework things. I don't know if I'd cut it completely simply because in some cases, like one of the parents being killed, that would be like kicking someone when they are down. But I would certainly rework things to encourage both parents being in the picture rather than the way things are now to basically encourage single mothers staying single.
Still, it looks like we're never going to agree on this. shrug
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Any man with a "pump'n'dump'n'ghost pile" probably isn't someone any woman should seek a relationship with in the first place. Heck, they wouldn't be someone I'd be willing to associate with in any capacity; due to fact that they're a lying asshole.
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Nah, that shit right there is why someone might look at you and see a misogynist.
Not unless you undergo some serious self-reflection and re-evaluation, which I doubt will happen.
On the topic of 'should you date people who post nudes/only fans', all I can say is that I haven't done such things. Therefore I find it only reasonable if my partner has never done such a thing either.
Any man who has posted lewd material of themselves on the internet is only being a hypocrite if they demand otherwise however.
I think that sounds fair?
Any man who has posted lewd material of themselves on the internet is only being a hypocrite if they demand otherwise however.
I think that sounds fair?
Yeah, people like that are assholes that I disagree with too (just break the news you're not interested and why and move on or ask for a casual relationship only), but the underlying motivation of not wanting a relationship with a woman on finding certain things out about her is something I completely understand and agree with, and vice-versa.
The one thing I disagree with in this video is that "women should be the guiding force to shutting down hook-up culture" -- most of the hook-up culture is driven by women leading foolish men around by their dicks; thankfully more and more men are pulling away from it and avoiding dating women on the whole because of women.
This girl? She's fine and down for hooking up with blokes, but I guarantee you for a serious relationship she's aiming for the top 5%.
Also, 136?
Paying for sex work is a transactional deal, not one related to a romantic or emotional relationship. That is the difference. And that sex worker is still going to have a negative reputation and stigma.
And I don't need to self-reflect -- I think you do because I truly believe the world is very different to what you think it is, but we're never going to agree on this. I just hope this naivety doesn't bite you in the arse one day.
Edit: also, the "misogyny" remark was aimed at wanting to change the biased laws and procedures in society, such as women absolutely financially raping men in divorces once they pull the parachute chord, or that paternity tests should be mandatory upon birth, or that custody hearings should never always favour the mother because she's the mother (no joke: judges have awarded custody to junkie, abusive whores just because they're the mother over the father who is a normal person by society's standards with a steady job, home, et cetera). This shit needs to change, but even attempting it? "MISOGYNY!"
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Which is precisely why I see no conflict between the two, as in, they can coexist. The "pump'n'dump'n'ghost" stuff, on the other hand, is a pretty asshole thing, and a double standard.
You would if you were ever to agree with me.
No, we simply have different outlooks and different ideas on respect. I have actually talked to a few of these women, and one in particular is one of the nicest, sweetest people I've ever talked to, and yet you and so many others would probably treat her like garbage because "muh sex worker."
If you think I am holding up all these women as some kind of angels or some bullshit like that, then you're the naive one.
I just am not right with treating people like garbage over "muh sex work" or with double standards.